Serious question from a first time Jeep Owner

[Factoid]

Something being deemed offensive can never be assessed accurately from the perspective of the person using the term. It can only be assessed by those impacted. This is where the term unconscious bias comes from. You may not have meant it in a racist way, however, if the person hearing it has a negative emotional reaction to it and deems it offensive then it is offensive. Courtesy in modern society is to respect the wishes of the receiver and adjust accordingly.

That said, I refuse to accommodate the modern snowflake who is so offended they need a safe space and carries such emotional baggage that they cannot operate in modern society. I chose to avoid any interactions with these folks. I am also offended by the term white privilege as it is used by many brushing a broad stroke towards any white person who has been successful. In fact, today I believe the opposite exists in most medium to large companies where two equally qualified candidates for executive roles often find the bias goes towards the “diversity” candidate.

The ridiculous analogy is a football team where all the non-white players must wear an extra 50 pounds of padding. The stats then show the white players are better until some one complains. The solution becomes that now only the white players wear the extra 50 pounds of padding. This is not a solution and you don’t fix the legitimate injustice by creating a new injustice. You fix it by being fair to all, an equal playing field so to speak.

Okay, rant over. Can we just agree to be kind to each other and resist the urge to both apply potentially offensive labels and to not exhibit excessive outrage and assume negative intent?

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[futzin']

Something being deemed offensive can never be assessed accurately from the perspective of the person using the term. It can only be assessed by those impacted. This is where the term unconscious bias comes from. You may not have meant it in a racist way, however, if the person hearing it has a negative emotional reaction to it and deems it offensive then it is offensive. Courtesy in modern society is to respect the wishes of the receiver and adjust accordingly.

That said, I refuse to accommodate the modern snowflake who is so offended they need a safe space and carries such emotional baggage that they cannot operate in modern society. I chose to avoid any interactions with these folks. I am also offended by the term white privilege as it is used by many brushing a broad stroke towards any white person who has been successful. In fact, today I believe the opposite exists in most medium to large companies where two equally qualified candidates for executive roles often find the bias goes towards the “diversity” candidate.

The ridiculous analogy is a football team where all the non-white players must wear an extra 50 pounds of padding. The stats then show the white players are better until some one complains. The solution becomes that now only the white players wear the extra 50 pounds of padding. This is not a solution and you don’t fix the legitimate injustice by creating a new injustice. You fix it by being fair to all, an equal playing field so to speak.

Okay, rant over. Can we just agree to be kind to each other and resist the urge to both apply potentially offensive labels and to not exhibit excessive outrage and assume negative intent?

Now, THAT is an awesome post. Hat is off . . .

 

[shrinkhead]

rice = race inspired cosmetic enhancement that doesn't do anything performance wise or functionally. not sure how this thread went south so far

 

[BLK HOLE]

FIFY.
Those of us who might be older aren’t too concerned what other people think. ;-)... we’re ( I mean they’re) secure in who they are!

but I do agree with your last sentence!

Noooo....visit any CJ or TJ forum and you’ll see.

 

[futzin']

rice = race inspired cosmetic enhancement that doesn't do anything performance wise or functionally. not sure how this thread went south so far

because people simply don't be able to refrain from offering their opinion for or against . . . including you.

 

[shrinkhead]

point taken

 

[MarineHawk]

What is with the outrage and attack on me dude saying something was created by me? LOL You don't even know me and yet here you are feeling comfortable calling me names and attacking me. I am not part of the outrage culture - this has nothing to do with outrage culture. It is something as simple as a community asking for a word not to be used and the rest of the people in the community adhering to it. That's it. LOL

You purportedly "corrected" a woman who used a term for Asians that derives from the concept of "eastern" and you instructed her that, based on your superior wisdom, she should, rather, use your preferred term for Asians that derives from the concept of "eastern." If someone referred to GMCs or Jeeps as Chicken McNugget vehicles, I wouldn't cry or feel extreme personal sadness. I'm not a snowflake. Calling an Aisan vehicle a "ricer" is nothing compared to what any individual faces in life. Making it out as a material problem is absurd.

 

[SleepyJeep]

You purportedly "corrected" a woman who used a term for Asians that derives from the concept of "eastern" and you instructed her that, based on your superior wisdom, she should, rather, use your preferred term for Asians that derives from the concept of "eastern." If someone referred to GMCs or Jeeps as Chicken McNugget vehicles, I wouldn't cry or feel extreme personal sadness. I'm not a snowflake. Calling an Aisan vehicle a "ricer" is nothing compared to what any individual faces in life. Making it out as a material problem is absurd.

LOL once again you get personal. I didn't just correct some woman, she was my co-worker and we have a pretty diverse team (white, black, asian, and east Indian folks). I had to say something at the workplace as a manager to make sure the situation doesn't get escalated to HR. I didn't correct her in some superior wisdom, (once again you are attacking me instead of just providing cogent points in the discussion), I corrected her because the Asian community deemed that word was offensive to them. It was not "my" preferred, it was the preferred choice of the community it refers to.

I am done with this discussion, I am not here to correct you or anyone. As I mentioned before I am not some race police def not on the Internet, you can use whatever words you choose man. It's just a reflection of you especially when the community that it refers to objects to it and if you keep using it go for it. Clearly, when I told you not to get personal you don't get it and still do it, so I understand if you don't get this concept of people asking you not to address them a certain way and you continue to do so.

 

[MarineHawk]

LOL once again you get personal. I didn't just correct some woman, she was my co-worker and we have a pretty diverse team (white, black, asian, and east Indian folks). I had to say something at the workplace as a manager to make sure the situation doesn't get escalated to HR. I didn't correct her in some superior wisdom, (once again you are attacking me instead of just providing cogent points in the discussion), I corrected her because the Asian community deemed that word was offensive to them. It was not "my" preferred, it was the preferred choice of the community it refers to.

I am done with this discussion, I am not here to correct you or anyone. As I mentioned before I am not some race police def not on the Internet, you can use whatever words you choose man. It's just a reflection of you especially when the community that it refers to objects to it and if you keep using it go for it. Clearly, when I told you not to get personal you don't get it and still do it, so I understand if you don't get this concept of people asking you not to address them a certain way and you continue to do so.

NOTHING in my last post was "personal," unless you have some weird version of that term. "LOL" all you want.

You may or may not have had any Asians object to the term Oriental, but I have been surrounded by Asian friends and colleagues for five decades, including on five continents on which I have engaged them, and none of them ever has thought that either of those terms was objectionable. These P.C. terminology changes and minefields, instead, come from local, often white, academics who are overthinking it and preachy about what others, purportedly, feel to make themselves, not others, feel better and more important.

 

[noside85]

I'm asian and i grew up in the South. i hear 'oriental' all the time, i know people who are offended when they hear it. i just think they're either a dumbass or don't care/know to change their vocabulary. the vast majority of the time people don't mean anything by it, and i don't mind too much hearing it or being called one but i'm not a fucking rug. words can trigger/or not trigger certain emotions, just understand that.

 

[MarineHawk]

I'm asian and i grew up in the South. i hear 'oriental' all the time, i know people who are offended when they hear it. i just think they're either a dumbass or don't care/know to change their vocabulary. the vast majority of the time people don't mean anything by it, and i don't mind too much hearing it or being called one but i'm not a fucking rug. words can trigger/or not trigger certain emotions, just understand that.

I also have been savaged by hearing of North American coal. I am not a piece of coal. I feel outraged by that. Just as you are outraged by being called Asian and having a rug also called Asian. Or wait, you were called Oriential and the rug was called Oriental. Even worse. Terrible.

I’m German, Irish, English, and I am offended when anyone calls me anything else. I should only be called that. Anything less is offensive. Anyone who calls me Caucasian is a complete monster, especially since they make carpet in the Caucasian region. I didn’t grow up in the Caucasian mountains. I'm not a piece of Caucasian carpet. Or even a gallon of Caucasian crude oil. From now on, unless I feel like I should be called “Fancy Super Cool German, Irish, English guy,” I will be offended, unless there is a carpet that is called the same thing, in which case I will be completely humiliated, and should get reparations.

 

[noside85]

I also have been savaged by hearing of North American coal. I am not a piece of coal. I feel outraged by that. Just as you are outraged by being called Asian and having a rug also called Asian. Or wait, you were called Oriential and the rug was called Oriental. Even worse. Terrible.

I’m German, Irish, English, and I am offended when anyone calls me anything else. I should only be called that. Anything less is offensive. Anyone who calls me Caucasian is a complete monster, especially since they make carpet in the Caucasian region. I didn’t grow up in the Caucasian mountains. I'm not a piece of Caucasian carpet. Or even a gallon of Caucasian crude oil. From now on, unless I feel like I should be called “Fancy Super Cool German, Irish, English guy,” I will be offended, unless there is a carpet that is called the same thing, in which case I will be completely humiliated, and should get reparations.

Didnt say i get offended or outraged lol, chill out. If I cared, I would ask that you call me Vietnamese, or a Vietnamese American since I call no other country home. But alas, I care not. There is no plight I suffer, rest assured. I work in health care, it doesn't matter what you call me, I'll still help you either way.

The word caucasian can never be taken more offensively than the other words out there. Just saying, making it seem that way is in poor taste.

All I said was words mean different things to different people, you can't even agree to that?

 

[Bob502000]

I have always been a big time customizer of all my vehicles. People have come to expect me to take something and give it my own twist. This has made me really appreciate all kinds of builds...from budget backyard builds to even "Pimp your ride" builds. This is why the Gladiator really appealed to me. There is literally an endless amount of possibilities for what you can do to a Jeep and the Gladiator is taking it to the next level.

Although...I have noticed once thing more than anything in the Jeep community...why the hate for the "Mall Crawlers"? Not saying I plan on building one...but I have seen so many negative comments and I can never really pinpoint why. Maybe this has been discussed in the past, I just didn't happent to see anything when I searched for an answer.

Humans being humans

 

[sad85XD]

As a resident snowflake, how is rice burner offensive? Is calling the gladiator a Hamburger burner offensive to Americans?

I like how the people that chose the weird looking car are internally concerned if their weird car is differently weird looking than the other weird looking cars.

 

[jurfie]

Humans being humans

As a human, I'm offended by being lumped in with those other "humans".

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