Spacer options. Lean after lift.

[ixl4]

Hey all, I just installed the ready lift 4 inch max flex lift and I actually like it a lot with the falcon shocks. The ride is really nice, however there is about a quarter inch to a half inch lean to the passenger side in the front. does anyone make a quarter inch spacer that I can fit on that side? The only thing I've been able to find is the teraflex half inch and if I put that in there then I'm afraid it's going to lean slightly to the other side and I am OCD enough to where that cannot happen.

This slight lean thing on our rigs is making me really mad. Just about every one I see has it.

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[NachoRuby]

I'm thinking that the reason they might lean that way is because the gas tank is full. But I've never noticed it.

Once you use maybe half a tank or so of gas, is it even? If so, you'll be chasing after something you can't fix. It'll fluctuate with fuel level.

Unless... Just maybe, do you have a spring on the wrong side? The springs are usually side specific.

 

[ixl4]

That does make sense but the lean is in the front more so than the back.
A 1/4" spacer would make things peachy but I cannot for the life of me find one that short.

 

[Wheelin98TJ]

Have you swapped the springs side to side?

 

[ixl4]

Yes they're the same length and not side specific.

 

[XJFanatic]

Possible that the spring is spun and not seated properly? That would be right around a 1/4 difference.

 

[ixl4]

Possible that the spring is spun and not seated properly? That would be right around a 1/4 difference.

That actually sounds very plausible. I will check it tomorrow.

I just installed the falcon steering stabilizer which gives me an opportunity for some clean glamor shots before she gets muddy again. Btw night and day difference. Highly recommend.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

I'm thinking that the reason they might lean that way is because the gas tank is full. But I've never noticed it.

Once you use maybe half a tank or so of gas, is it even? If so, you'll be chasing after something you can't fix. It'll fluctuate with fuel level.

Unless... Just maybe, do you have a spring on the wrong side? The springs are usually side specific.

For stock/factory springs or the 2" MOPAR lift if I recall correctly -
Higher number spring on the right on the gas engine equipped JT


Mine doesn't have a right lean - in fact, mine sits 1/4" higher on the right unless the tank is full.
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Measurements of 2020 after springs, spacers, winch, steel bumper and skid plate - before removing modifications -
I checked numbers and see where I'm at now compared to STOCK Overland -

This is modified with Rubicon front springs, spacers, max tow rear springs, steel front bumper and winch ->
Front - left - 22"
Front - right - 22"
Rear - Left = 23.75"
Rear - Right = 24"
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Rear after taking out max tow springs, .75" daystar spacers and Rubicon Fox shocks and putting the stock Overland springs and shocks back:
Rear - Left = 23.5
Rear - Right - 23.75
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After removing winch and steel bumper, front-
22.5" left front
22.5" right front

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After removing Rubicon springs and Daystar spacers from front -
Left front - 21.625"
Right front - 21.625"

 

[ixl4]

ExtremeTerrain said it was a defect and wanted to ship out a whole new lift but I don't want to do that because chances are the new one will be the same exact thing and I don't want to pay for another install.

I did reach out to readylift and they said they've not seen this issue before (even though someone else wrote in in their reviews). They also assured me that both front springs are the same exact length. (I know Mopar lift passenger side is a bit taller).

I did notice that some lift manufacturers (like AEV) actually include a spacer for their lift for the passenger side that is optional at install depending on if it leans or not. So there's gotta be something to it.

I also read directly from Mopar on their website somewhere deep within specs that up to .5" height difference at each corner is within acceptable limits.

I am starting to think that it is either the way my jeep is built or the spring is not seated properly. The seating is an easy fix. And if they're seated right then my journey to find a .25" spacer will continue.

 

[NachoRuby]

ExtremeTerrain said it was a defect and wanted to ship out a whole new lift but I don't want to do that because chances are the new one will be the same exact thing and I don't want to pay for another install.

I did reach out to readylift and they said they've not seen this issue before (even though someone else wrote in in their reviews). They also assured me that both front springs are the same exact length. (I know Mopar lift passenger side is a bit taller).

I did notice that some lift manufacturers (like AEV) actually include a spacer for their lift for the passenger side that is optional at install depending on if it leans or not. So there's gotta be something to it.

I also read directly from Mopar on their website somewhere deep within specs that up to .5" height difference at each corner is within acceptable limits.

I am starting to think that it is either the way my jeep is built or the spring is not seated properly. The seating is an easy fix. And if they're seated right then my journey to find a .25" spacer will continue.

If the defect is just the spring, you can probably do it yourself, without taking everything all the way apart and paying again. Springs aren't so bad.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

I did reach out to readylift and they said they've not seen this issue before (even though someone else wrote in in their reviews). They also assured me that both front springs are the same exact length. (I know Mopar lift passenger side is a bit taller).

Question if it hasn't already been asked -
Did you leave all of the bolts loose until it was sitting down on all four feet, on the ground, THEN tighten them to spec?
Never tighten track bar, control arms, sway bars, etc. until it's on the ground sitting normally - off the jacks and stands.


Taller isn't always the question - I can show you comparisons of springs that are longer but actually sit lower.
The question is rate in some cases.
I never understood why lift makers don't follow the lead of the OEM and make the springs different left to right. (this is NOT a comment about owners/people who want the lift or install one or have one installed)

Springs have been different side to side on millions of vehicles since at least the late 1960s. I have parts books showing page after page of springs numbers - left springs, right springs, and so on, and yet replacements or lifts get to "they are all the same".
If they were all the same why would auto and truck makers spend so much money on different springs or spring rates left to right - stock the different parts, catalog the different parts.........

This pic - top spring is right front, middle spring is left front, and the bottom spring is a Rubicon spring that held my Overland up a bit more than 3/4" over what the other springs held it. In other words, the shorter spring held the truck up just under an inch higher. It's not always about length.

Springs from a Rubicon - if FCA spent money engineering springs to make it sit level - why are replacements in lift kits all the same?
Left front, right front, left rear, right rear.
Note number of coils, coil spacing and so on.

 

[ixl4]

Question if it hasn't already been asked -
Did you leave all of the bolts loose until it was sitting down on all four feet, on the ground, THEN tighten them to spec?
Never tighten track bar, control arms, sway bars, etc. until it's on the ground sitting normally - off the jacks and stands.


Taller isn't always the question - I can show you comparisons of springs that are longer but actually sit lower.
The question is rate in some cases.
I never understood why lift makers don't follow the lead of the OEM and make the springs different left to right. (this is NOT a comment about owners/people who want the lift or install one or have one installed)

Springs have been different side to side on millions of vehicles since at least the late 1960s. I have parts books showing page after page of springs numbers - left springs, right springs, and so on, and yet replacements or lifts get to "they are all the same".
If they were all the same why would auto and truck makers spend so much money on different springs or spring rates left to right - stock the different parts, catalog the different parts.........

This pic - top spring is right front, middle spring is left front, and the bottom spring is a Rubicon spring that held my Overland up a bit more than 3/4" over what the other springs held it. In other words, the shorter spring held the truck up just under an inch higher. It's not always about length.

Springs from a Rubicon - if FCA spent money engineering springs to make it sit level - why are replacements in lift kits all the same?
Left front, right front, left rear, right rear.
Note number of coils, coil spacing and so on.

Wow I never really thought about this. I just figured same company springs one would have to be longer in some applications.
Why does all this have to be so confusing. I just want a level side to side stance. ?
Grrrrrrr. I am loving all the informative replies though. I learn something from each one!

 

[BlueScapegoat]

Question if it hasn't already been asked -
Did you leave all of the bolts loose until it was sitting down on all four feet, on the ground, THEN tighten them to spec?
Never tighten track bar, control arms, sway bars, etc. until it's on the ground sitting normally - off the jacks and stands.

^ 100%

A little bit on one side, a little bit on the other, slightly uneven ground, uneven jack stands when the lift was being installed... all could lead to 1/4" lean if it wasn't all tightened up on flat ground under it's own weight.

Loosen everything, bounce the whole Jeep around, rock it left/right, let it settle into center. See if that looks level to you. Torque everything.

Otherwise you could always make shims out of some aluminum plate or something like that to stack above the stock coil isolators, if you're so inclined. They do have alignment nubs normally but you could use some small machine screws or the like if you were concerned.

 

[@californiajeeping]

Question if it hasn't already been asked -
Did you leave all of the bolts loose until it was sitting down on all four feet, on the ground, THEN tighten them to spec?
Never tighten track bar, control arms, sway bars, etc. until it's on the ground sitting normally - off the jacks and stands.


Taller isn't always the question - I can show you comparisons of springs that are longer but actually sit lower.
The question is rate in some cases.
I never understood why lift makers don't follow the lead of the OEM and make the springs different left to right. (this is NOT a comment about owners/people who want the lift or install one or have one installed)

Springs have been different side to side on millions of vehicles since at least the late 1960s. I have parts books showing page after page of springs numbers - left springs, right springs, and so on, and yet replacements or lifts get to "they are all the same".
If they were all the same why would auto and truck makers spend so much money on different springs or spring rates left to right - stock the different parts, catalog the different parts.........

This pic - top spring is right front, middle spring is left front, and the bottom spring is a Rubicon spring that held my Overland up a bit more than 3/4" over what the other springs held it. In other words, the shorter spring held the truck up just under an inch higher. It's not always about length.

Springs from a Rubicon - if FCA spent money engineering springs to make it sit level - why are replacements in lift kits all the same?
Left front, right front, left rear, right rear.
Note number of coils, coil spacing and so on.

On diesel models they compensate by using a thicker lower spring isolator on one side.

My metal cloak lift leans a bit too about 1/2" or so. A solution would be some type of LOWER spring spacer as the tops already have spacers. Theres also leveling shims avail.

 

[@californiajeeping]

https://metalcloak.com/jk-wrangler-front-coil-spring-spacer-set.html

This is what you need to purchase to level your jeep. I would wait until all armor is in and you get everything situated.

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