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[Pescatoral Pursuit]

Only 11% of American workers are union. Unions are not there for the worker. They are there for the Democratic National Committee. The majority of the other 90% of American workers seem to make a livable wage unrepresented.

Unions absolutely function as a money stream directly to the DNC. I know this firsthand.
However, taking political parties out of it, unions began as a necessity. Unregulated or poorly regulated capitalism turns societies into the many extremely poor governed by the few extremely rich. (Pareto Distribution.)
There was a brief period of time in our history where our government worked to properly regulate our capitalistic economy and that due in no small part to the cause of unions. Yes they have metamorphosized into something other than the original intent. But the facts still remains when the government doesn't establish laws making the distribution of profits/wages somewhat equitable, then the grotesque Union apparatus steps in.

The gross disparity between worker pay and executive pay over the last two decades is evidence that it's not the unions or the workers who are taking too much.

Interestingly enough, companies that implement a 4/10 work week see higher productivity and higher profits...

4/10 is not on the table.
Maybe it's the end goal though and that's not a bad thing in my opinion.

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[bleda2002]

Interestingly enough, companies that implement a 4/10 work week see higher productivity and higher profits...

4/10 work, 4/8s is just lazy.

 

[Deleted member 57233]

4/10 work, 4/8s is just lazy.

I negotiated a 4/8s week at my last raise conversation. I'm more productive now after a three day weekend, and most people lose productivity and make more mistakes after 4-6 hours of actual work.

We actually nearly had a 30 hour work week back in the 30s during the labor reforms, the 40 hour work week was a compromise in order to get industry leaders to ban child labor and agree to a minimum wage. Even in the 50s Nixon was talking about a 32 hour, 4 day work week for a "fuller family life" as part of GOP policy. People act like 32 hours is some new absurd idea but we have been pushing for it for a long time.

 

[TwelveGaugeSage]

4/10 work, 4/8s is just lazy.

I'd happily take either, but I certainly wouldn't call wanting more time outside of work being lazy. Productivity is WAY up from a couple of decades ago. Why shouldn't we all benefit from that by working less?

Unions absolutely function as a money stream directly to the DNC.

Lobbying is an unfortunate part of the political landscape right now. As long as you have one party that is unabashedly anti-union, there will be money flowing to those who oppose that. There won't be a change because the anti-union lobby is donating the other way. "Capitalism" at work.

 

[Dickster]

What the union is asking for is a far stretch. They are asking for unrealistic term during a recession lmao. This is what happened to Detroit back in the 70s. People must of not paid attention in history class.

 

[bleda2002]

I'd happily take either, but I certainly wouldn't call wanting more time outside of work being lazy. Productivity is WAY up from a couple of decades ago. Why shouldn't we all benefit from that by working less?



Lobbying is an unfortunate part of the political landscape right now. As long as you have one party that is unabashedly anti-union, there will be money flowing to those who oppose that. There won't be a change because the anti-union lobby is donating the other way. "Capitalism" at work.

4/8s for the same pay as 5/8s or 4/10s is being lazy. If you want work 32 hours then get paid for 32 hours. If you want the pay of 40 work 40

 

[bleda2002]

I negotiated a 4/8s week at my last raise conversation. I'm more productive now after a three day weekend, and most people lose productivity and make more mistakes after 4-6 hours of actual work.

We actually nearly had a 30 hour work week back in the 30s during the labor reforms, the 40 hour work week was a compromise in order to get industry leaders to ban child labor and agree to a minimum wage. Even in the 50s Nixon was talking about a 32 hour, 4 day work week for a "fuller family life" as part of GOP policy. People act like 32 hours is some new absurd idea but we have been pushing for it for a long time.

So you negotiated to get paid for 32 hours and work for 32 hours. Not I want to get paid for 40 and work 75% of that on top of a 40% raise.

This is line work, they will get 25% less done because the line won't move any faster on a 32 hour week than a 40 hour week. Im a software architect, I don't track hours or even have a set a schedule, I show up for meetings and make deadlines, that's what I negotiated for and it makes sense there because it's deadline driven work. If now I said I want to do 75% of the work I do for the same pay, that's me being lazy imo.

 

[Deleted member 57233]

So you negotiated to get paid for 32 hours and work for 32 hours. Not I want to get paid for 40 and work 75% of that on top of a 40% raise.

I'm salaried. I negotiated a 20% base pay increase, but I only work 4-8s now.

 

[Alpine Warthog]

That is up to you. What can you provide that automation doesn't? You'll get your UBI and whatever you make on top of it. Pull on them bootstraps and you'll be alright

Thats crazy.....I'm already doing that and i don't need a UBI. 99% of people don't either.
You literally just advocated for the system you're always busting on.

 

[Digster]

With the price hikes they have in mind and the no rebates on 24s, good money says they'll dump as many 23 orders as they can depending on what part inventory they have to clear. I'm sure they still have old infotainments kicking around they don't want to trash.

Union is asking for 46% more yearly pay with 25% less working hours. That's 82.5% more $ per hour... good luck.

They may need to dump the 23’s long and hard - a quick nationwide search shows

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[Deleted member 57233]

Thats crazy.....I'm already doing that and i don't need a UBI. 99% of people don't either.
You literally just advocated for the system you're always busting on.

People don't need it now. They will need it as more jobs get automated.

All that manufacturing that is coming back to the US? It is being built out to use robots, not people.

 

[Alpine Warthog]

I’m going to continue to hold out hope for the Star Trek style food replicator. ?

LOL, I spent way too much time as a kid trying to figure out if that would actually taste good. I settled on assuming that it would taste like a microwave meal from the freezer

 

[BourbonRunner]

This is line work, they will get 25% less done because the line won't move any faster on a 32 hour week than a 40 hour week

That's why the 32 hour week as a negotiating tactic is not even worth playing and shows the immaturity and inexperience of the UAW's negotiators. Certainly you can throw bigger numbers and walk it back but that ain't it.

The line will move at the same speed but production will suffer because the union won't allow an increase of line speed to make up for the difference.

Furthermore, I don't think anyone here is recognizing that the unions at a point in history were a force for good but since WW2 they've done as much harm if not more than good across all mechanized industry.

Public sector unions are still the worst offenders. Those should be outlawed.

 

[KC_H]

People don't need it now. They will need it as more jobs get automated.

All that manufacturing that is coming back to the US? It is being built out to use robots, not people.

Exactly, as products are designed to be produced via automated processes, there will only be a handful of people in a production facility, primarily to watch over the equipment. Eventually UBI will be required...

What is shocking to me is the vitriol directed at people simply trying to get a fair shake...

 

[Deleted member 57233]

That's why the 32 hour week as a negotiating tactic is not even worth playing and shows the immaturity and inexperience of the UAW's negotiators. Certainly you can throw bigger numbers and walk it back but that ain't it.

The line will move at the same speed but production will suffer because the union won't allow an increase of line speed to make up for the difference.

Furthermore, I don't think anyone here is recognizing that the unions at a point in history were a force for good but since WW2 they've done as much harm if not more than good across all mechanized industry.

Public sector unions are still the worst offenders. Those should be outlawed.

The benefit isn't from the line moving any faster, the benefit comes from less burnout, less mistakes that need fixed, and a higher quality product. Henry Ford moving to a shorter 40 hour work week didn't make the line move any faster, it increased quality and reduced defects, which then produced more vehicles in the same time frame.

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