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[Pescatoral Pursuit]

If not, why don't they just take their extensive skillsets to another company to make the money they think they deserve?

One doesn't need an extensive skill set to be a vital component. That tone is demeaning to honest, hard work.

The UAW already "conveniently" leaves out benefit packages and profit sharing when discussing wages. The line workers should be celebrating a profitable company--their profit sharing checks reflect it and they have stable employment.

Why isn't this the law? Representatives are elected to represent We the People, and because they fail to do so, we get grotesque proxy representation in the form of Unions.

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[NightFog]

And I'm old enough to remember when CEO pay was around 20 times the wages of the average worker. CEO pay is now in excess of 360 times the average worker pay.

 

[biodiesel]

If you get a chance, watch this video by Kudlow. I think he brings up a few good points.

LARRY KUDLOW: This sets up a huge doom loop for the car business (msn.com)

 

[Rocksalt]

What does this have to do with anything? The only thing they should be concerned with is whether or not their wages are comparable to other factory/line workers. If not, why don't they just take their extensive skillsets to another company to make the money they think they deserve? The UAW already "conveniently" leaves out benefit packages and profit sharing when discussing wages. The line workers should be celebrating a profitable company--their profit sharing checks reflect it and they have stable employment. The greed of the UAW will be the end of automakers in this country--They have completely lost the support of the American consumer.........

it has to do with corporations paying their workersand not hogging all the profits

 

[KC_H]

If you get a chance, watch this video by Kudlow. I think he brings up a few good points.

LARRY KUDLOW: This sets up a huge doom loop for the car business (msn.com)

Fortunately Kudlow is a moron and anything he says can be discounted out of hand...

 

[Rocksalt]

I prefer to have any major projects .. automotive, home plumbing, electrical, contruction etc done by QUALIFIED professionals. Same for medical or legal.. WTF is so hard to understand about this???

 

[ZoMojave]

Particularly if the dash and radio were designed for robotic assembly and not human assembly...

Now THAT will be one expensive machine at each and every dealer someday!

 

[ecidiego]

Particularly if the dash and radio were designed for robotic assembly and not human assembly...

The DaVinci robotic surgery system is amazing and extraordinarily accurate. There are others as well...

As an aside, AI medical diagnostics are already exceeding the accuracy of meat space doctors... (and at a speed that is unbelievable)

Don't leave out that DaVinci isn't performing the surgery. It's a tool the human surgeon uses. It relieves the dexterity problem of using your fingers. AI isn't doing the surgery.

 

[KC_H]

Don't leave out that DaVinci isn't performing the surgery. It's a tool the human surgeon uses. It relieves the dexterity problem of using your fingers. AI isn't doing the surgery.

Very true... But I didn't suggest the DaVinci was AI powered, I was talking about AI powered diagnostics...

 

[Hootbro]

The focus on CEO compensation always strikes me as odd. I don’t know if the Individuals deserved it or not in any given year, but it’s usually tied to the stock price of the company and other performance targets, not guaranteed, and mostly not in cash.

Compare the auto CEOs pay to what we pay entertainers and athletes without much bitchin‘ and moaning. The NFL is by no means the highest paying pro sport, but it is the season ….so I took a look. The highest comp of the 3 auto CEOs ($30mm, GM) would place them right around #20 of the top paid NFL players.

I’m just saying that the CEO of Stellantis seems a lot more important day-to-day to a lot of people’s lives than say Larmay Tunsil , LT of the Houston Texans, both at $25mm with contingencies. (Sorry Laramy, nothing personal, you deserve it too).

The whole CEO makes millions and we make pennies argument is a red herring. You take a company like Boeing where the CEO made 22 million for 2022 and if you took his pay to spread out to the other 140K workers within the company, it comes out to like $150 raise every year. Chump change and you still need to pay someone to run the company and keep it a going concern.

Back in 2009 when Chrysler was looking to go bankrupt and I am not talking about reorganization bankruptcy but a real chance of the company going into liquidation bankruptcy, the UAW was all crying for the govt. tit bailout.

The govt. came in and forced a reorganization bailout courting the eventual then buyer that was FIAT. The govt. forced the UAW to have skin in the game by insisting the UAW buy shares into the new company that were borrowed on the solvency of the UAW pension fund and make the UAW have a board seat with input on the company's direction going forward.

When FIAT came in and became a major but not majority state holder in the new Chrysler (now FCA), the UAW chaffed at being on the board and could not sell their shares to FIAT corporate fast enough to get off the board.

So the UAW likes to talk a big shit about about CEO pay and so called corporate greed, but when they were given the opportunity to have input and say on the company being run, they ran from it because they like their usual troupes of playing the wage worker victim rather than being in the inside to make the change they all clamor about.

 

[Deleted member 57233]

Don't leave out that DaVinci isn't performing the surgery. It's a tool the human surgeon uses. It relieves the dexterity problem of using your fingers. AI isn't doing the surgery.

The STAR robot at Johns Hopkins is the autonomous one. It actually plans and executes the surgery, and is able to adapt to unexpected events without human assistance. They have only tested it on pigs so far, clinical trials on humans should be coming relatively soon.

 

[glovesf15]

The STAR robot at Johns Hopkins is the autonomous one. It actually plans and executes the surgery, and is able to adapt to unexpected events without human assistance. They have only tested it on pigs so far, clinical trials on humans should be coming relatively soon.

Not sure I would be signing a “consent” form on that procedure. How do you feel about boarding an airplane with no pilot in the cockpit?

 

[Deleted member 57233]

Not sure I would be signing a “consent” form on that procedure. How do you feel about boarding an airplane with no pilot in the cockpit?

A better analogy would be boarding a plane with the pilot sitting in first class. A lot of surgeons are hacks, malpractice is common, humans make mistakes a lot. I have had multiple surgeries that needed to be redone or fixed. A robot isn't going to do any worse, and I would probably rather have a robot's precision on something like a brain operation.

"What do you call the person who graduated last in their class at med school?"

"Doctor"

?

 

[bleda2002]

You are comparing apples to oranges with job descriptions and requirements.
Do you think 4/8s means the assembly is down for 3 days a week and 16 hours every day?
Why do you begrudge the union for doing the same thing you do?

If the union workers want to move to a payer per number of cars delivered instead of per hour then sure. Figure out how many cars the line currently makes in 40 hours, make pay based on that and if the workers want to speed the line up 25% while maintaining quality then I'm all for it. If they want to assemble 25% less cars though and still get paid the same, that's a bogus ask imo though.

As a deadline driven work some weeks I work 35 some weeks I work 80, some weeks 100. More often than not I'm somewhere in the 45-50 range which is why I'm salary, I just work hours I want to instead of a set 5/8s

 

[KC_H]

A better analogy would be boarding a plane with the pilot sitting in first class. A lot of surgeons are hacks, malpractice is common, humans make mistakes a lot. I have had multiple surgeries that needed to be redone or fixed. A robot isn't going to do any worse, and I would probably rather have a robot's precision on something like a brain operation.

"What do you call the person who graduated last in their class at med school?"

"Doctor"

?

Yup, I was supposed to get surgery on my neck at C6/C7. The surgeon operated on C5/C6. After that healed ANOTHER surgeon had to do C6/C7...

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