Tazer Mini Pinout..

[sharpsicle]

So it is apparent you are just trolling.. or just stupid, either way - go away...
You clearly don't know how to read or ANYTHING about CAN bus. I never said I was connecting anything at the OBD port.

Well yes, I do understand how CAN networks operate. The Tazer Mini you've been referencing interfaces with more than CAN, and that's what we've been trying to tell you. But you kept saying you wanted to connect at the OBD using the OBD connector harness spliced into a SGW extension. Not wanting to do that anymore is an important thing to mention. You didn't mention that until now.

My man, you have been very cagey about all this, and I've been trying to help. If you aren't using the Tazer that plugs into the security gateway, then why did you say you were going to use the SGW extension? Clearly, you've changed your mind on that but didn't tell anyone.

There's also no need to get upset that people discuss options on ways to do what you're looking to do. Especially when you clearly aren't understanding the difference between the SGW and OBD. Getting immediately defensive helps no one and, like you've seen here, doesn't help you consider new ways to approach your problem. Lose the attitude, and the tunnel vision, and you'll be much more productive.

Look, you can do what you want, but you've been very unclear here. Myself, @Jimmy07, and @fourfa have all been working under the same assumptions you presented us before and all gave the same advice. And it's good advice: plug in the Tazer Mini to the SGW, not the OBD.

I can recognize and appreciate that you're going a different direction now that you've recognized that your original plan wasn't going to work. That's fine. It makes all this conversation meaningless. I just wish that you had told us that earlier.

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[ShadowsPapa]

You do know that any good thief knows all about the Tazer pin lock and the first thing they will do is locate the SGM and put the wires back, or use their own device.
Any thief knows all about these - that pin lock is a joke and only stops the casual thief who doesn't know what they are doing.
You would have to relocate the whole gateway to make any such theft device effective.

 

[dayusmc]

Can an admin please block this guy from posting in my thread, please..

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Not tazer - but functions and types of various bypass cables and the pins used -


Security Gateway bypass (model years 2018 and later)

Starting from the model year 2018 (2017 Fiat 500L) Stellantis (FCA) installs the Security Gateway Module (SGW) blocking third-party diagnostics. AlfaOBD has no software solution yet. As a workaround please use a hardware SGW bypass module.

Owners of Alfa Romeo Giulia / Stelvio, Fiat 500X / Argo / Chronos / Toro, Jeep Renegade / Compass MP, Ducato Serie 8, RAM ProMaster 2022+, make sure that the bypass supports the second high-speed CAN bus. This bus is connected to the pins 12 and 13 of the car OBD socket.

Here are some recommended SGW bypasses:

North America:
https://www.zautomotive.com/product/z_dbp/ - 2018+ Dodge/Chrysler/Jeep vehicles
https://www.zautomotive.com/product/z_sgw/ - All Stellantis (FCA) vehicles including Alfa Romeo and Fiat Platforms with the second High-Speed CANBUS (Alfa Romeo Giulia / Stelvio, Fiat 500X / Toro / Jeep Renegade / Compass MP)
https://www.kaodtech.com/product-page/security-module-bypass - RAM/Dodge/Jeep
https://ecri.app/products/ecri-security-module-bypass-2018-jeep-ram

• OBDLink MX+/LX/EX/SX/CX and STN11xx - STN21xx based devices. The OBDLink MX+ Bluetooth or OBDLink EX USB are the recommended interfaces for the vehicles with the high-speed CAN bus on pins 6 and 14, and the middle-speed CAN bus on the pins 3 and 11 of the vehicle OBD socket. These are most of the PowerNet and CUSW-based Chrysler / Dodge / Ram (with the exception of RAM Pro Master before 2022 and RAM Pro Master City) / Jeep vehicles starting from about 2012, and Fiat Tipo / Egea. No additional adapters are needed on these cars when using OBDLink EX or MX+,.because these units have the built-in ability to connect to the middle-speed CAN bus.
  
  As the OBDLink interfaces have a high communication speed they are especially recommended for the Body computer configuration adjustment and odometer correction on the Chrysler / Dodge / Ram / Jeep vehicles.
  
  Note: Alfa Romeo Giulia / Stelvio, Fiat 500E(2020+) / 500X / Argo / Chronos / Toro, Ducato Serie 8, Jeep Renegade / Compass (MP), and RAM Pro Master (2022+) require the "grey" adapter (see below) to access the second high-speed CAN bus.
  
  The OBDLink LX / SX / CX interfaces require the "blue" adapter to access the middle-speed CAN bus.
  
  The OBDLink LX / SX / CX devices are recommended for the Fiat / Alfa Romeo / Lancia CAN-based vehicles with the low-speed CAN bus on pins 1 & 9 of the car OBD socket (for example, Alfa Romeo Giulietta / Mito / Fiat 500). The "yellow" adapter (see below) is required to access this low-speed CAN bus.
  
• ELM327 - based USB / Bluetooth / WLAN interfaces for PC and bluetooth/WiFi-enabled Android and Windows devices. All CAN units are supported and some on K-Line. Make sure the ELM 327 is of version 1.3 and above.
  
  Warning: There are many suppliers of these interfaces, but not all of the interfaces are compatible with AlfaOBD!
  An e-bay interface based on an ELM327 clone may work fine, but there are many interfaces on the market now which don't strictly follow the ELM327 specs. They may not be able to establish connection to the car at all, or they may have issues with certain diagnostic procedures. If AlfaOBD displays "Interface reports NO DATA" or "Interface reports CAN ERROR" message when attempting the connection to a control module, this is most probably a sign that you have one of these defective interfaces. Such an interface may work fine with an OBDII / EOBD diagnostic software, it has issues with AlfaOBD because a different diagnostic protocol is used.
  
  It is recommended to use an ELM327 interface tested with AlfaOBD.
  For example, the interfaces sold by Electronic-Fuchs.de have been tested for compatibility with AlfaOBD.
  
  The "colored" adapters (see below) are needed to access the low- and middle-speed CAN buses, as well as the second high-speed CAN bus.
  
• OBDKey Bluetooth / USB / WLAN. A universal interface supporting all the control units installed on the FCA cars. Especially recommended for the non-CAN-based vehicles. It is a good choice (and the only one under Android) for the cars like Alfa Romeo 145/146/156/166.
  The "colored" adapters (see below) are needed to access the low- and middle-speed CAN buses, as well as the second high-speed CAN bus. Although the multipin version doesn't require any adapters.
  
• Kiwi 3 Bluetooth LE (Android only). All CAN units are supported and some K-Line ones. The interface features very low power consumption.
  The "colored" adapters (see below) are needed to access the low- and middle-speed CAN buses, as well as the second high-speed CAN bus.
  
• KLLine USB interface. AlfaOBD PC version only due to the limitations of Android OS. No CAN support, so it can be used on the non-CAN vehicles only (Alfa Romeo 156 etc.).
  For example, interfaces supplied by Electronic-Fuchs.de and ECUFix.com are supported.
  The "colored" adapters (see below) may be needed to access the K-lines connected to the pins of the car OBD socket other than pin 7.

If you want tazer pinouts and functions - likely proprietary information available only from Z Automotive.
Otherwise, don't look to find it very easily. Few would have any need to even worry about it.
You are seeking proprietary information on a device that to know, would require some intense testing and reverse engineering of the device - actually monitoring the signals over pins.

 

[dayusmc]

So for all that are interested, the Ampire 4000 pro is a pin lock system, it works similar to the Tazer pin lock system.
So here is its requirements, how it works and how it hooks up.
It does not require a security bypass. It hooks up via 4 wires, 12+, ground and CAN bus wires at or near the BCM. It taps into, does not cut the CAN bus wires. When you get into the car you must enter a button combination (you can use a bunch of different buttons, not just the right side steering wheel buttons), if you don't do the combination the car will not start, even with the key fob present. You can unplug the gateway, it doesn't make a difference, it doesn't start.
The factory remote start works with it, an aftermarket remote start does not.
The module is hidden, so you would need to know where it is connected in order to disable it. The Ghost and IGLA are the same. So basically it is only as good as the install... cost of parts shipped from Germany is appropriately $350. It can be placed into valet mode via a free app on your phone. There are other options, but that is the jist of it.
It is a really good option for anyone with a jeep.
Unfortunately I use Drone mobile remote start. Droneobile (with idatastart) is basically a T-Harness that pushes the button for you.
But for those who want to protect your Jeep, I highly recommend it...

 

[DailyMoparGuy]

Nobody here is likely to help you big dawg. Your asshat responses will deter most people willing to help….go outside and appreciate a few things that you can see, smell, and hear to relax a bit.

Check google and YouTube - or maybe ask ChatGPT. Good luck on your endeavor

 

[Jimmy07]

Ok, I DID have to re-read a few times to finally get it to click what you are looking to do. I think an easier way to frame the question for a direct answer would have been “how do I hook up a tazer mini somewhere in the vehicle WITHOUT using or disconnecting the SGW and its connectors.”
Here’s the wires you would use on the two female sgw extensions that plug into the tazer mini:

You’ll tie those wires to the canbus/constant power tap/ground of the double bypass. The green connector on the double bypass is can IHS, and the white is can C. Here are their pinouts:

 

[dayusmc]

Jimmy thank you! It is very hard to explain over a thread what exactly I am doing but I think you got it.
I will give it a shot and see how it works.
For most people the Ampire will be perfect. Unfortunately for me I don't have factory UConnect so I can never have the Jeep app for remote start. In fact it was you who explained that to me many months ago...

 

[sharpsicle]

Ok, I DID have to re-read a few times to finally get it to click what you are looking to do. I think an easier way to frame the question for a direct answer would have been “how do I hook up a tazer mini somewhere in the vehicle WITHOUT using or disconnecting the SGW and its connectors.”
Here’s the wires you would use on the two female sgw extensions that plug into the tazer mini:

You’ll tie those wires to the canbus/constant power tap/ground of the double bypass. The green connector on the double bypass is can IHS, and the white is can C. Here are their pinouts:

That makes a lot more sense. Good job finding the Rosetta stone for this thread. ?

Interested to see if this would actually work in a direct-wired situation. I believe the reason Tazer didn't do OBD connection for their unit in our trucks was because the SGW blocks its operation like @ShadowsPapa mentioned. As such, they have their unit operate in place of the SGW to remove that hurdle. It also means that having a Tazer and SGW both active on the network at the same time might cause conflict as they both are fighting with each other for the same tasks and information. That's why you marry/unmarry a Tazer, so it can take the place of the SGW as it gets removed from the system.

If this worked, I'd wonder why they had to redevelop the Tazer in the first place. I could definitely see this working for other tools, hence the bypass cables, but the way the Tazer is built seems to say otherwise. I'd love to see someone try it though.

Also makes me wonder if all that's needed is a SGW bypass module for the Ampire to work...

 

[dayusmc]

I will give it a try this week and report back.
The thing that sparked my intrest in trying this was that video where the guy had one of the original OBD Tazer's in he gladiator showing the PIN lock. Then I saw z automotives double byspace cable. That coupled with installing the Ampire 4000 and seeing how that worked gave me the idea to try it.
If I had that original OBD tazer I would have tried it already.
I have an email into Z auto to see if I can still buy one of those ODB Tazers. If they have them, I will buy one and another double bypass cable and test both setups...
I don't mind spending the money to test this stuff, hopefully other Jeep owners can benefit from my experiments. Too many Jeeps getting stolen lately...
And thank you again Jimmy, sorry I couldn't have explained it better.

 

[dayusmc]

And for maybe a little more clarification, my thought was that if I can tap into the can bus wires after the gateway, that the gateway wouldn't interfere.

 

[Jimmy07]

Interested to see if this would actually work in a direct-wired situation. I believe the reason Tazer didn't do OBD connection for their unit in our trucks was because the SGW blocks its operation like @ShadowsPapa mentioned. As such, they have their unit operate in place of the SGW to remove that hurdle. It also means that having a Tazer and SGW both active on the network at the same time might cause conflict as they both are fighting with each other for the same tasks and information. That's why you marry/unmarry a Tazer, so it can take the place of the SGW as it gets removed from the system.

If this worked, I'd wonder why they had to redevelop the Tazer in the first place. I could definitely see this working for other tools, hence the bypass cables, but the way the Tazer is built seems to say otherwise. I'd love to see someone try it though.

The tazer doesn’t care about the sgw, it just needs to inject itself directly onto the bus networks. The sgw module connectors have those circuits, and are in a convenient spot on the JT/JL. The canbus junction blocks are not easily accessible in order to do the bypass cable method, hence the reason they designed the tazer mini to use the gateway connectors.

 

[sharpsicle]

The tazer doesn’t care about the sgw, it just needs to inject itself directly onto the bus networks. The sgw module connectors have those circuits, and are in a convenient spot on the JT/JL. The canbus junction blocks are not easily accessible in order to do the bypass cable method, hence the reason they designed the tazer mini to use the gateway connectors.

Yeah I still believe you need to get the SGW out of the equation. What I've been told is that the Tazer is meant to work as a replacement for the SGW, not in tandem with it.

But at this point, I wonder if the problem he's facing is just the SGW itself. Perhaps a SGW bypass module would allow the Ampire to work as expected without all this?

 

[dayusmc]

No the SGW is not why the Ampire doesn’t work in my situation. I have an aftermarket remote start that just mimics you pressing the start button. The Ampire stops the BCM from starting from the button.
I tried putting an SGW bypass in with the Ampire and it didn't work...
But thank you and Jimmy for the useful and the on track discussion!

 

[Jimmy07]

Yeah I still believe you need to get the SGW out of the equation. The Tazer is meant to work as a replacement for it, not in tandem with it.

But at this point, I wonder if the problem he's facing is just the SGW itself. Perhaps a SGW bypass module would allow the Ampire to work as expected without all this?

The only function of the sgw is to put a “locked gate” between the radio and the rest of the bus, and the OBD port and the rest of the bus. Tazer doesn’t care about that, it just needs a direct path to inject messages on the bus, which is accomplished by plugging the tazer directly into the two bus networks via the canbus junction blocks.

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