Disconnected / disabled Telematics; used this cable to get compass and NAV back

[WILDHOBO]

Not addressing your claims? Jeep gives themselves permission to do everything I’ve said in their own documentation. Rather than just say “go read the EULA” I quoted the relevant sections for your convenience.

Your argument is “they don’t do that” - but if they don’t, why make owners agree to that data gathering? Everything about the behavior of the company says they are collecting this information, right down to vehicle location and driving behavior.

Did you cancel Sirius XM or the Sirius telematic monitoring Sirius does for Jeep? They are not the same thing, one is easier than the other - and that is still such a PITA that they’ve gotten in trouble with regulators for making it difficult. They got sued by New York for their practices and lost. Good luck trying to opt out of the telematics gathering.

“You have total control of your data” is the most laughable thing said yet. That’s just blatantly false, there’s a whole industry around you not having control over your data. You’re in denial, and nothing I can say, not amount of evidence or behavioral patterns will change that. You need to step back and ask if you really trust a company to put your best interests over making money, despite straight up telling you they are picking the money.

I’m a technology expert. Not a lay person. Your statements are based on assumption, paranoia, and fear. What data you allow yourself to share IS under your control. You just don’t know how to control it. So you’re telling everyone else they don’t. I know a thing or two about this. But nothing I can say will change the mind of someone so afraid of their vehicle, that they’re removing modules. And it still won’t matter. You’re wasting your time. UNLESS YOU DITCH YOUR PHONE. Which is of course your right, and your choice. Yours to control. But since you won’t do that, you’re spinning your wheels.

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[Sweetums]

I’m a technology expert. Not a lay person. Your statements are based on assumption, paranoia, and fear. What data you allow yourself to share IS under your control. You just don’t know how to control it. So you’re telling everyone else they don’t. I know a thing or two about this. But nothing I can say will change the mind of someone so afraid of their vehicle, that they’re removing modules. And it still won’t matter. You’re wasting your time. UNLESS YOU DITCH YOUR PHONE. Which is of course your right, and your choice. Yours to control. But since you won’t do that, you’re spinning your wheels.

Aaand now we're back to binary thinking again; "well, someone else is collecting data, so you might as well be okay with everyone collecting your data."

Just to sum up the argument so far:
"Hey, I want to keep my car from sending all this data Jeep says they collect back to HQ"
"You have a phone that's also collecting data"
"That's not the scope of the question, this isn't a phone forum, it's a car forum. Non-sequitur, can we get back to helping me mod my car?"
"Modding your car is pointless if someone else is collecting data"
"Irrelevant, it's my car and I just want help modding it the way I want."
"They aren't collecting that data anyway"
"Wait, a second ago it was pointless to mod my car because someone else is collecting data, now they aren't collecting data? Which is the talking point?"
Jeep: "Oh yeah, we are totally collecting data, here's the list we are required to publish of all the stuff we know about you"
Media: "Here's a bunch of news stories about auto companies using onboard connectivity to legally and illegally track you"
Electronic Frontier Foundation: "Oh yeah, car companies using onboard connectivity to track you even if you never opt-in is huge problem."
"... Jeep isn't collecting that data! It's Schrodinger's Data, it's both collected and not collected depending on which phase of the argument we're in. Umm... YOU HAVE A PHONE!" And back to 1. Again.

Imagine if someone logged in and asked for help setting their tire size or gearing and most the responses were people chiming in about how you don't need to do that or it's pointless because your other car has different tires, or starts having a conversation completely unrelated about the lawnmower.

The thread was "Help me do this mod" it doesn't matter if you agree, you don't have to understand the motivations - and you sure as hell don't know what privacy measures someone has taken in other areas or why they might want to limit data collection with a level of hardware certainty that an opt-out or software toggle doesn't provide.

Just once I would love for someone to ask for help on this and not have a bunch of judgemental, naive, and ignorant dickheads chime in and make it about what they think is important. Maybe help OP solve their problem or go somewhere else to pontificate about how "rolling over and enjoying it" is a valid option. I'm sick to death of this round-fucking-robin when it comes to enshittification; your phone is spying on you so don't fight Flock, Flock is spying on you so don't bother disconnecting telematics, your car is spying on you so don't bother installing Graphene OS to limit your phone spying. Round, and round it goes; binary thinking getting in the way of any kind of push back against the overall loss of privacy. You can apply the same thing to any kind of change a society is trying to make; this insufferable and idiotic demand for instant perfection with no regard for incremental gains.

 

[WILDHOBO]

Aaand now we're back to binary thinking again; "well, someone else is collecting data, so you might as well be okay with everyone collecting your data."

Just to sum up the argument so far:
"Hey, I want to keep my car from sending all this data Jeep says they collect back to HQ"
"You have a phone that's also collecting data"
"That's not the scope of the question, this isn't a phone forum, it's a car forum. Non-sequitur, can we get back to helping me mod my car?"
"Modding your car is pointless if someone else is collecting data"
"Irrelevant, it's my car and I just want help modding it the way I want."
"They aren't collecting that data anyway"
"Wait, a second ago it was pointless to mod my car because someone else is collecting data, now they aren't collecting data? Which is the talking point?"
Jeep: "Oh yeah, we are totally collecting data, here's the list we are required to publish of all the stuff we know about you"
Media: "Here's a bunch of news stories about auto companies using onboard connectivity to legally and illegally track you"
Electronic Frontier Foundation: "Oh yeah, car companies using onboard connectivity to track you even if you never opt-in is huge problem."
"... Jeep isn't collecting that data! It's Schrodinger's Data, it's both collected and not collected depending on which phase of the argument we're in. Umm... YOU HAVE A PHONE!" And back to 1. Again.

Imagine if someone logged in and asked for help setting their tire size or gearing and most the responses were people chiming in about how you don't need to do that or it's pointless because your other car has different tires, or starts having a conversation completely unrelated about the lawnmower.

The thread was "Help me do this mod" it doesn't matter if you agree, you don't have to understand the motivations - and you sure as hell don't know what privacy measures someone has taken in other areas or why they might want to limit data collection with a level of hardware certainty that an opt-out or software toggle doesn't provide.

Just once I would love for someone to ask for help on this and not have a bunch of judgemental, naive, and ignorant dickheads chime in and make it about what they think is important. Maybe help OP solve their problem or go somewhere else to pontificate about how "rolling over and enjoying it" is a valid option. I'm sick to death of this round-fucking-robin when it comes to enshittification; your phone is spying on you so don't fight Flock, Flock is spying on you so don't bother disconnecting telematics, your car is spying on you so don't bother installing Graphene OS to limit your phone spying. Round, and round it goes; binary thinking getting in the way of any kind of push back against the overall loss of privacy. You can apply the same thing to any kind of change a society is trying to make; this insufferable and idiotic demand for instant perfection with no regard for incremental gains.

First, when the name calling starts, that’s a sure sign that the debate is over, and you’ve lost all credibility.

Second, I actually provided several solid suggestions for accomplishing the goal requested in the thread. You just chose to ignore them.

 

[Hootbro]

Course that Telematic threads take is pretty predictable.

 

[DiehardTory]

Let's go to defcom level 3:
Flock Safety’s cameras are automated license plate readers (ALPRs) designed to help police find stolen cars or wanted suspects.

A joint investigation by 404 Media and WIRED, based on data recovered from a physically removed Flock camera, found that its on-device software explicitly detects people as well as vehicles, bicycles, and license plates.

A group of hackers reportedly removed a Flock camera from a roadway, copied its storage, and recovered an encryption key stored on the device. That allowed them to unlock videos of thousands of vehicle detections despite Flock’s claim that its devices are protected by on-device encryption. Flock said it could not assess the claims without more detail.

The recovered camera files reportedly contained software models that detect people, even though public discussion of Flock has usually focused on cars and license plates. The researchers found no evidence that face-recognition features were actively used. Reassuring, but it should not be mistaken for a clean privacy bill of health.

Even without facial recognition, a system that records repeated sightings can potentially reveal sensitive patterns of movement, including where someone lives, works, worships, seeks healthcare, attends protests, visits family, or spends time with other people. When a person is matched to a vehicle, vehicle-based tracking can become person-based tracking in practice.

 

[WILDHOBO]

Let's go to defcom level 3:
Flock Safety’s cameras are automated license plate readers (ALPRs) designed to help police find stolen cars or wanted suspects.

A joint investigation by 404 Media and WIRED, based on data recovered from a physically removed Flock camera, found that its on-device software explicitly detects people as well as vehicles, bicycles, and license plates.

A group of hackers reportedly removed a Flock camera from a roadway, copied its storage, and recovered an encryption key stored on the device. That allowed them to unlock videos of thousands of vehicle detections despite Flock’s claim that its devices are protected by on-device encryption. Flock said it could not assess the claims without more detail.

The recovered camera files reportedly contained software models that detect people, even though public discussion of Flock has usually focused on cars and license plates. The researchers found no evidence that face-recognition features were actively used. Reassuring, but it should not be mistaken for a clean privacy bill of health.

Even without facial recognition, a system that records repeated sightings can potentially reveal sensitive patterns of movement, including where someone lives, works, worships, seeks healthcare, attends protests, visits family, or spends time with other people. When a person is matched to a vehicle, vehicle-based tracking can become person-based tracking in practice.

Agreed. Flock cameras, and the agencies that buy them, are horrible.

 

[Stinggrey 21 Rubi]

I fly and build planes recreationaly.
I don't want to be tracked although I was told how beneficial it would be.
Now the feds and municipalies can send fines and fees based on tracking of small homebuilt planes if equipped.
I drop my phone in a farriday bag often. I don't want the gov to waste time tracking me certainly while I pay them.
So to those worried about the who what why- please shut up and let us disscuss how to disable tracking and maintain functionality.
I get alot of you sit in front of a screen most of your life - rock on and do you.

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