Those complaining about the steering... get the Fox Steering Stabilizer

[FL Handle Guy]

Did you reAd through the entire thread? I did. Some talked about the DW. Most were complaining about steering walking a bit. Very minimal.

I also stated in my post if you feel there is a issue go to your dealer and get it checked out. I’ve driven a wide variety of vehicles for a long time. Every make of vehicle has different characteristics. It doesn’t matter to me who Jeep is marketing. That’s exactly my point. Loose steering is very vague and there will always be those vehicles with issues. However I would venture to say that most have not experienced a Jeep and have come from some form of IFS. So suck it up, get it fixed and or move on.

there is no massive recall on steering issues related to the JT is there???‍

Thats the problem, they are not fixing it. So far they have done a recall on track bar bracket welds, track bars, steering stabilizers, reflashed the power steering pump, and many revisions of the steering box on the front end of the JL/JT. They have a steering box that you can not adjust the lash on like every SFA jeep (why? I have no idea).

Does that sound like a vehicle that has no problems? Many people have taken it to the dealer and they have not fixed it. They all say the exact same scripted thing (drives like a jeep). If that was the case then why are some tight and others not? Watch the first video in post #101.
This is what this technical sub forum is for, if you want to be a hard*** go to pirate4x4. People here are searching for a fix.

Do you know how they find out something is broken or defective? People complaining and taking it in for repairs.

When a stock JT is sloppier than a stock TJ with a much shorter wheelbase there is a quality control issue.

If the thread upsets you don't read it and go enjoy your Jeep. For most of us the only thing preventing us from loving the JT is the steering. Whats wrong with wanting FCA to fix the issue so we can enjoy our 50k investment?

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[ShadowsPapa]

Thats the problem, they are not fixing it. So far they have done a recall on track bar bracket welds, track bars, steering stabilizers, reflashed the power steering pump, and many revisions of the steering box on the front end of the JL/JT. They have a steering box that you can not adjust the lash on like every SFA jeep (why? I have no idea).

Does that sound like a vehicle that has no problems? Many people have taken it to the dealer and they have not fixed it. They all say the exact same scripted thing (drives like a jeep). If that was the case then why are some tight and others not? Watch the first video in post #101.
This is what this technical sub forum is for, if you want to be a hard*** go to pirate4x4. People here are searching for a fix.

Do you know how they find out something is broken or defective? People complaining and taking it in for repairs.

When a stock JT is sloppier than a stock TJ with a much shorter wheelbase there is a quality control issue.

If the thread upsets you don't read it and go enjoy your Jeep. For most of us the only thing preventing us from loving the JT is the steering. Whats wrong with wanting FCA to fix the issue so we can enjoy our 50k investment?

Thank you - you said it well. I forgot to mention that because of the shorter wheelbase of the others you would expect a bit of jerky responses compared to a looonger JT wheelbase. And me a mechanic left that out LOL
I would think the numerous JT owners here who say their steering is PERFECTLY FINE would be enough to indicate a problem.

Anyway, ANYONE with a JT who sees this as a possible issue or something that should be looked at - I posted a poll.
Please respond even if your JT handles as nicely as mine - which is just fine with NO wander, no looseness at all. Not one bit. Handles as well as my Chevy did.
We have multiple threads but I'd like to see it QUANTIFIED. Of the members here - who has the issue, who does not, have you owned OTHER solid axle Jeeps and how does this compare.
Please don't turn the other into a discussion - especially one about whether or not there's even a problem. It's meant to collect date - to indicate facts, get numbers and so on.
Insult people and tell them they are stupid for thinking there is a problem at all in this thread or the other threads on this topic that exist.
Again, the poll isn't about the "death wobble" - different causes, it's more of a track bar solid axle thing. Thanks.

 

[PUGLIA]

Minimal?
And you mention a recall? LOL - wow, what a joke. That is funny - no recall thus no trouble. You base there being no real problem on the fact there's no recall? You aren't serious are you? These companies wait for a large number of complaints, often for accidents or worse, before they issue any sort of a recall. I've worked in the field long enough to know in some cases there is never a recall. They just address things as they come. Did you know there's a recall out for Grand Cherokees - made in and before 2016?!! Yeah - 3 years after they quit building the vehicles with a problem. It was similar for my Chevy truck - the truck existed for a long time - and then into the NEXT model year they issue a recall for troubles. Ford - how many brake fires were there before THEY said there was a problem. People complained for months - oh, yeah, I guess that does get hot.
Never base anything on whether or not there's a recall. That's a poor indicator at best.
I guess you haven't see the OTHER threads where people who have owned Jeeps over the years are complaining - and we're talking about 2" of play. That's a whole lot when it should respond within less than an inch. Suspension type has little to do with steering response.
You also failed to see in the several other threads where they say they have TRIED and the dealer simply responds they don't know what to do.
They are trying to get an issue resolved and the dealers "can't find anything wrong" because they aren't looking in the right places.
I stand by my post - very insulting to these people with the issue and who HAVE owned and driven Jeeps in the past and who have proven the differences.
There are other threads besides this one.

geez dude. Eat some left over turkey, relax. I’ll keep my opinions and you can have yours. I believe a lot of this is nonsense and exaggerated. I could be wrong. We will see. If I offended you, I apologize. It wasn’t intended I just expressed that it seems like a bunch of whining.

I’m sure I probably didn’t apologize like you wanted either but that’s what you’re getting so I hope it’s everything you ever wanted.

 

[PUGLIA]

Thank you - you said it well. I forgot to mention that because of the shorter wheelbase of the others you would expect a bit of jerky responses compared to a looonger JT wheelbase. And me a mechanic left that out LOL
I would think the numerous JT owners here who say their steering is PERFECTLY FINE would be enough to indicate a problem.

Anyway, ANYONE with a JT who sees this as a possible issue or something that should be looked at - I posted a poll.
Please respond even if your JT handles as nicely as mine - which is just fine with NO wander, no looseness at all. Not one bit. Handles as well as my Chevy did.
We have multiple threads but I'd like to see it QUANTIFIED. Of the members here - who has the issue, who does not, have you owned OTHER solid axle Jeeps and how does this compare.
Please don't turn the other into a discussion - especially one about whether or not there's even a problem. It's meant to collect date - to indicate facts, get numbers and so on.
Insult people and tell them they are stupid for thinking there is a problem at all in this thread or the other threads on this topic that exist.
Again, the poll isn't about the "death wobble" - different causes, it's more of a track bar solid axle thing. Than

Minimal?
And you mention a recall? LOL - wow, what a joke. That is funny - no recall thus no trouble. You base there being no real problem on the fact there's no recall? You aren't serious are you? These companies wait for a large number of complaints, often for accidents or worse, before they issue any sort of a recall. I've worked in the field long enough to know in some cases there is never a recall. They just address things as they come. Did you know there's a recall out for Grand Cherokees - made in and before 2016?!! Yeah - 3 years after they quit building the vehicles with a problem. It was similar for my Chevy truck - the truck existed for a long time - and then into the NEXT model year they issue a recall for troubles. Ford - how many brake fires were there before THEY said there was a problem. People complained for months - oh, yeah, I guess that does get hot.
Never base anything on whether or not there's a recall. That's a poor indicator at best.
I guess you haven't see the OTHER threads where people who have owned Jeeps over the years are complaining - and we're talking about 2" of play. That's a whole lot when it should respond within less than an inch. Suspension type has little to do with steering response.
You also failed to see in the several other threads where they say they have TRIED and the dealer simply responds they don't know what to do.
They are trying to get an issue resolved and the dealers "can't find anything wrong" because they aren't looking in the right places.
I stand by my post - very insulting to these people with the issue and who HAVE owned and driven Jeeps in the past and who have proven the differences.
There are other threads besides this one.

so let’s be clear. Another thread you're on asking the same question with the same wondering issue.... some ppl are saying the same shit I was.

“flattening our tires” ie lowering pressure resolved the problem.

now just to be clear I’m not saying it will fix everyone’s problems. But I don’t see you offering that resolution on this thread. Yet you seem to wanna call me out because I said it was excessive complaining about a already resolved issue (wandering). Not cracked welds or faulty steering components or any other “real issues”.

What’s wrong with you ppl. Get a life....no really.

 

[PUGLIA]

https://www.jeepgladiatorforum.com/forum/threads/excessive-wandering-3-73-vs-4-10-gears.22002/page-3

 

[JT_Ollie]

Question, can’t find the definitive answer in this thread. I upgraded to 34” tires and a mopar 2” lift with a spacer. Before the lift the steering wheel virbration was very minimal. After the lift i can feel a lot more of the bumps and vibrations in the road. Will a steering stabilizer help get rid of the wheel vibrations?

 

[MrJeep]

I could be wrong.

I'm glad you finally said this because you are, thank you for apologizing.

In the 16 Jeeps I've owned including '60s, 70's and 80's models on up, none had this problem, regardless of lift, etc.
Mine has a significant dead spot in the steering box. I've ruled out everything else. It feels exactly like a Jeep TJ with the toe set way out but I dialed the toe way in and the dead spot is still there.
All of my research says its probably a quality control problem with the steering boxes and it's so sporadic it's hard to pin down or force a recall.

Thanks to all on this thread with helpful comments, off to fight with the dealership!

 

[Proximo]

I'm glad you finally said this because you are, thank you for apologizing.

In the 16 Jeeps I've owned including '60s, 70's and 80's models on up, none had this problem, regardless of lift, etc.
Mine has a significant dead spot in the steering box. I've ruled out everything else. It feels exactly like a Jeep TJ with the toe set way out but I dialed the toe way in and the dead spot is still there.
All of my research says its probably a quality control problem with the steering boxes and it's so sporadic it's hard to pin down or force a recall.

Thanks to all on this thread with helpful comments, off to fight with the dealership!

Best of luck to you, with the stealership. Are you going to get @JeepCares involved?

 

[MrJeep]

Best of luck to you, with the stealership. Are you going to get @JeepCares involved?

Not initially. It happens that the dealer and the son know me pretty well at this point so I'm probably in a better situation than most. Will report back.

 

[Wilsonb80]

So got my Gladiator got to the dealer on Thursday and I picked it up on Friday not much driving Over the weekend took it to work on Monday 116 miles one way, and I noticed the steering had a lot of play. So today I took my car to work and stopped at a dealership closer to work and took one for a test ride it didn’t seem nearly as bad as mine. Emailing my dealer to see about having them take a look.

 

[danielspivey]

Very aware of how it works; The force is unidirectional. If you don't feel the need for a TS, by all means don't go that route.

I just installed the fox IPF 2.0 stabilizer and the force is not unidirectional, it’s charged “neutrally”. Whenever it’s pulled too, it stays there.

Typical shocks like the Suspension ones are unidirectional, they apply force in one direction. Steering stabilizers are neutral and go in either direction. If you put a suspension shock on yes, it would push to once side.

We may be using different terms but this is how the guy at fox explained it to me.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Racing shocks are not unidirectional, normal standard shocks move the same both ways or very close to it, maybe a 60/40 split. Racing shocks for drag racing are typically 90/10 - they extend REALLY easy but settle slowly to aid in weight transfer during launch.
Suspension shocks control spring oscillations, prevent certain movements, some may be gas charged and those are not unidirectional. They extend outward with fair force.
We used to have a display that demonstrated shock actions of the various sorts. With a new standard shock, it took the same force to compress it as it did to extend it.
Then they started the fancy stuff and the gas charged shocks.

 

[RH 67]

Question, can’t find the definitive answer in this thread. I upgraded to 34” tires and a mopar 2” lift with a spacer. Before the lift the steering wheel virbration was very minimal. After the lift i can feel a lot more of the bumps and vibrations in the road. Will a steering stabilizer help get rid of the wheel vibrations?

Adding the lift and spacer you have brought the axle back and this has shortened the LCA`s which increases the movement of the LCA`s. The cure are adjustable LCA`a or LCA relocation brackets that mount to the frame, the former are cheap and will cure your problem.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Thanks for that as it's pretty much what I tried to show with crude drawings in another thread - because now the lower control arm is swung down in the arc it travels, effectively shortening it but also making the arm move "back" farther than it used to in that swing.
Lengthening the arm will put static caster back but the caster change will be more wild and noticeable because the arm is no longer parallel to the ground (not that it was but now it's at a lower part of the arc and the axle end swings back a lot farther for every vertical inch of axle movement)

 

[Wilsonb80]

Went to the dealership and had them check on my steering.. photo of shop notes

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