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Not sure if this has been posted already. Jeep created a TSB for the 3.6 related to the cams high profile lift system.

Essentially the TSB is for the oil pump/actuator that engages the high lift lobe, activating prematurely when RPMs are below the required RPM to activate, causing failures and sometimes catastrophic failure.

EDIT: THIS IS NOT ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF OIL PRESSURE AT ANY GIVEN RPM, THIS IS ABOUT THE HIGH LIFT CAM LOBE BEING ACTIVATED WHEN IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO AND POSSIBLY CAUSING DRIVABILITY ISSUES, MOST NOTICEABLE AT IDLE/LOW RPM. THERE'S A SOFTWARE UPDATE THAT SHOULD FIX THIS, ACCORDING TO THE DEALER WHO TOLD ME ABOUT THIS TSB, WHICH ALSO STATED IT'S AN EXTREMELY LIMITED NUMBER OF AFFECTED VEHICLES. THEY TOLD ME THIS IS NOT THE SAME TSB ABOUT CAM WEAR.

They won't tell you about this at the dealer unless you come in for a symptom due to this or another cam issue. Even if you go in for a cam issue, they may not tell you about this TSB. I only found out when I asked about an intermittent rattle around 3,200rpm and heavy engine load in 3rd gear. They very briefly mentioned it and I asked because I'm nosy for knowledge.

It's not as common as the lifter failures. It's not as common as any other failure it seems. But it does happen, and they do know about it. So if you think this is happening to you, ASK THEM.


Again, this is NOT about oil pressure being high below a certain rpm, as some comments seem to think it is. This is about the high lift lobe being activated by the pcm prematurely and possibly causing drivability issues. No I haven't heard back since talking with said dealer again recently as they were behind schedule and understaffed. Their assistant service manager is also one of their lead technicians. They also mentioned this is NOT the same TSB that most wrangler/gladiators are known for.
- When I have the TSB number, I will provide it.


And if you don't have anything polite/positive to say, go be dramatic elsewhere.
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Not sure if this has been posted already. Jeep created a TSB for the 3.6 related to the cams high profile lift system.

Essentially the TSB is for the oil pump/actuator that engages the high lift lobe, activating prematurely when RPMs are below the required RPM to activate, causing failures and sometimes catastrophic failure.

They won't tell you about this at the dealer unless you come in for a symptom due to this or another cam issue. Even if you go in for a cam issue, they may not tell you about this TSB. I only found out when I asked about an intermittent rattle around 3,200rpm and heavy engine load in 3rd gear. They very briefly mentioned it and I asked because I'm nosy for knowledge.

It's not as common as the lifter failures. It's not as common as any other failure it seems. But it does happen, and they do know about it. So if you think this is happening to you, ASK THEM.
Does the TSB tell them to replace something?
 
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Does the TSB tell them to replace something?
They wouldn't get to into detail with me "because it's not applicable to your situation". I think they know the issue is possibly worse than they want to believe it is, and aren't willing to discuss it because it could backfire just like the cam/lifter issues have for the last 10 years.
 
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They wouldn't get to into detail with me "because it's not applicable to your situation". I think they know the issue is possibly worse than they want to believe it is, and aren't willing to discuss it because it could backfire just like the cam/lifter issues have for the last 10 years.
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Not sure if this has been posted already. Jeep created a TSB for the 3.6 related to the cams high profile lift system.

Essentially the TSB is for the oil pump/actuator that engages the high lift lobe, activating prematurely when RPMs are below the required RPM to activate, causing failures and

They won't tell you about this at the dealer unless you come in for a symptom due to this or another cam issue. Even if you go in for a cam issue, they may not tell you about this TSB. I only found out when I asked about an intermittent rattle around 3,200rpm and heavy engine load in 3rd gear. They very briefly mentioned it and I asked because I'm nosy for knowledge.

It's not as common as the lifter failures. It's not as common as any other failure it seems. But it does happen, and they do know about it. So if you think this is happening to you, ASK THEM.

What is TSB?
 

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They wouldn't get to into detail with me "because it's not applicable to your situation". I think they know the issue is possibly worse than they want to believe it is, and aren't willing to discuss it because it could backfire just like the cam/lifter issues have for the last 10 years.
That's quite speculative.....

Could be that, well, they need to get service moving and don't want to mire them down with an unrelated conversation?
 

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TSB's normally have a number.

It might be a NHSTA alert, which is a concern, not yet a TSB, and not yet a recall.

I shall search ........
 
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That's quite speculative.....

Could be that, well, they need to get service moving and don't want to mire them down with an unrelated conversation?
Most service depts don't seem to like when a knowledgeable person comes in asking questions to better their knowledge about OEM service policies, which is stupid because they're required to share that info when requested. It's called transparency, and idk about you...but I won't pay a penny to a business I can't trust.


Might also help if corporate would stop ripping off techs on labor rates, then act like "iunno why we can't get good techs to work for us". Sometimes you can't win over everyone.
 
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What is TSB?
Technical Service Bulletin.

Meant to help dealer techs as a heads up, like if you see X, the cause is probably Y, here's the fix Z.

But here, it will make all the self diagnosers and oil PhD's run to the dealer with no issue and go I KNOW THERE'S A TSB.

Which, as of this moment, there is no camshaft TSB issued for any model year Gladiator.
 

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I get a horrid metal screeching sound randomly for a fraction of a second at low rpms, I have 6k miles and it has done it since new.
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