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It sort of makes me wonder what the enviro's that own JT's do to offset the extra carbon they are spewing...
Do they buy carbon credits to make themselves feel better, or do 20 self lashings every night before bed?
I carry 200 or so people across the country in a few hours. That definitely helps. Figure in the old days they would need at least 2 horses for 4 people. That’s 100 horses for likely a 6 month trip. That’s a ton of horse farts which science has told us is one of the leading causes of ozone degradation.
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Calm? We are expecting 70 mph+ winds later today. IHP, and other entities are warning drivers - stay clear of the big rigs and any other high profile vehicles. And I have an appointment 30 minutes away later today - will be testing my truck once again against record winds.

Anyway, one thing I've noticed and EVERY Wrangler, CJ or JT owner already knows this - wind speed has a huge impact. I can drive a road with the wind at about 10 mph out of the SW and get maybe 19 mpg - and on the way back get over 20. And the only difference - is that bit of wind. And the road I'm talking about is a N-S road so even that SW wind has an impact.
I ride a bicycle quite a bit. Taught me the role wind plays in my effort required. I’m way more aero than my jeep is too.
 

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Didn't read each post word for word, but do you have a bed cover?
I had to drive to pick something up that required me to remove my bed cover, and I got close to 3 mpg less on the same trip with a bed cover on. This was highway driving through a flat part of ohio, but my driving pattern and logistics were the same.
You can pick up a soft tri fold for a couple hundred bucks.

I am currently getting around 15-15.5 with my JTR with 513s on 39" bfg. The weight of your wheel/tire combo will greatly affect your goal.

My JTR is stock engine/tune wise, but our JLUR has 513 and Super chip 93 tune running 37" Toyo on heavy 22x12" wheels. In town we can get around 16-17, and 19+ on the interstate not going over 70.

The one post I did read was the cost comparison of mods to improve MPG and the ROI on getting there. I went with gears for better driveabilty and stock shifting patterns with big tires. Our JLUR improved mpg by about 3mpg with gears and tune.
My JTR mpg remained exactly the same going from 37" and 410s to 39's and 513s.
 
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Didn't read each post word for word, but do you have a bed cover?
I had to drive to pick something up that required me to remove my bed cover, and I got close to 3 mpg less on the same trip with a bed cover on. This was highway driving through a flat part of ohio, but my driving pattern and logistics were the same.
You can pick up a soft tri fold for a couple hundred bucks.

I am currently getting around 15-15.5 with my JTR with 513s on 39" bfg. The weight of your wheel/tire combo will greatly affect your goal.

My JTR is stock engine/tune wise, but our JLUR has 513 and Super chip 93 tune running 37" Toyo on heavy 22x12" wheels. In town we can get around 16-17, and 19+ on the interstate not going over 70.

The one post I did read was the cost comparison of mods to improve MPG and the ROI on getting there. I went with gears for better driveabilty and stock shifting patterns with big tires. Our JLUR improved mpg by about 3mpg with gears and tune.
My JTR mpg remained exactly the same going from 37" and 410s to 39's and 513s.
Good feedback thank you.

For now I’m going to just do the exhaust (returning the CAI without installing it.) I’m also doing 4.88 gears for my heavy 35” tires. I’m interested in the tune, but plan to do the scientific approach. Instead of all at once and not knowing the change, I’ll do gears and drive it for a while. Then I’ll look into the tune.

Not sure which way though. Pulsar, superchips, Livernois, or Diablo.
 

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Good feedback thank you.

For now I’m going to just do the exhaust (returning the CAI without installing it.) I’m also doing 4.88 gears for my heavy 35” tires. I’m interested in the tune, but plan to do the scientific approach. Instead of all at once and not knowing the change, I’ll do gears and drive it for a while. Then I’ll look into the tune.

Not sure which way though. Pulsar, superchips, Livernois, or Diablo.
I'm sure you know that you will need something to calibrate for the gears if you don't already have something.
I went for the flashpak for my JT over a tazer, solely bc that's how I tuned the JL and am familiar with the platform and how to update. Plus I wanted a handheld device.
Superchip makes the pulsar. My friend had it and was trouble free. All adjustments are made from the steering wheel controls fyi.
Diablo and Superchip are the same tune, just different handhelds and names.

As for exhaust, I doubt you get any gains at all other than sound. OEM exhaust flows pretty well from what I've read.
 

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I'm sure you know that you will need something to calibrate for the gears if you don't already have something.
I went for the flashpak for my JT over a tazer, solely bc that's how I tuned the JL and am familiar with the platform and how to update. Plus I wanted a handheld device.
Superchip makes the pulsar. My friend had it and was trouble free. All adjustments are made from the steering wheel controls fyi.
Diablo and Superchip are the same tune, just different handhelds and names.

As for exhaust, I doubt you get any gains at all other than sound. OEM exhaust flows pretty well from what I've read.
I use an “ECRI” for now to make minor changes as well as my larger wheels. I have a lot to learn about “tunes” as I really know next to nothing about them. I know many (all?) require you to send the ECU in to be unlocked. Since I don’t want to lose my daily driver that long, I’ve read they can do it there. I thought about driving to the airport, pulling it and flying out to them and having it unlocked. Curious if I put it back in at the airport If I’d be able to start up and head home. It would make for a long day, but it would be a single day and I wouldn’t lose the truck at all.

Didn’t realize Diablo and the pulsar were essentially the same exact thing. When the time comes I’ll clearly need a big education in how all this works. I can start by calling superchips/Diablo/whoever and getting the full scoop.

I’m only getting the exhaust for a slight increase in sound at startup and idle. Went with corsa because I don’t want to hear it while cruising.
 

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I use an “ECRI” for now to make minor changes as well as my larger wheels. I have a lot to learn about “tunes” as I really know next to nothing about them. I know many (all?) require you to send the ECU in to be unlocked. Since I don’t want to lose my daily driver that long, I’ve read they can do it there. I thought about driving to the airport, pulling it and flying out to them and having it unlocked. Curious if I put it back in at the airport If I’d be able to start up and head home. It would make for a long day, but it would be a single day and I wouldn’t lose the truck at all.

Didn’t realize Diablo and the pulsar were essentially the same exact thing. When the time comes I’ll clearly need a big education in how all this works. I can start by calling superchips/Diablo/whoever and getting the full scoop.

I’m only getting the exhaust for a slight increase in sound at startup and idle. Went with corsa because I don’t want to hear it while cruising.
Corsa makes amazing products. If I ever do exhaust, that's what it will be.
I had corsa on my 750hp C6 Z06, was literally ear piercing from the outside, but very quiet in cabin with almost zero drone!

Another option you can go is buy an extra pcm from your dealer, and send that off to have unlocked so there's no down time.
IF you buy from Superchip, they send you an unlocked pcm to install along with the handheld, and then you send your factory pcm back in for core refund. I kept my oem pcm and ate the $500 core refund tho, just to keep the original pcm.
The turnaround from superchip is pretty quick, a few days. They are a pita to deal with over issues, but have gotten somewhat better in the customer service dept as of late.
 
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Corsa makes amazing products. If I ever do exhaust, that's what it will be.
I had corsa on my 750hp C6 Z06, was literally ear piercing from the outside, but very quiet in cabin with almost zero drone!

Another option you can go is buy an extra pcm from your dealer, and send that off to have unlocked so there's no down time.
IF you buy from Superchip, they send you an unlocked pcm to install along with the handheld, and then you send your factory pcm back in for core refund. I kept my oem pcm and ate the $500 core refund tho, just to keep the original pcm.
The turnaround from superchip is pretty quick, a few days. They are a pita to deal with over issues, but have gotten somewhat better in the customer service dept as of late.
The swap sounds intriguing. I’m going to also look into if I can get an appointment and do it in house if I go that route. I like the idea of having a second pcm as it’s cheap insurance. With less than 10k miles it would be nice to not immediately have work rejected when they see the unlocked pcm.
 

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I've had Livernois for about a year. I bought an additional PCM from them and keep my original for backup/troubleshooting/etc. (hasn't been used as yet). Tunes are loaded via their handheld device which receives data from Livernois when connected to your PC. Best I can tell, only performance tunes are available.
 
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I've had Livernois for about a year. I bought an additional PCM from them and keep my original for backup/troubleshooting/etc. (hasn't been used as yet). Tunes are loaded via their control unit which receives data from Livernois when connected to your PC. Best I can tell, only performance tunes are available.
Seems like a second PCM is a good call. Livernois is one of the few out there you tend to not hear much negative about.
 

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Another point to consider most non-performance (eg. Charger, Hellcat, Camaro, Mustang etc.) vehicles get tuned by the Manufacturer for MPG, and NVH (Noise Vibration and Harshness). They spend countless hours and millions of miles to do this. Its unlikely some shop, or tuner is going to suddenly make a huge difference...that they missed. Especially with CAFE standards to meet.

What you see from the power (hp) side is they often leave things on the table to get more power at the expense of mileage, but rarely the other way around. Often they even de-tune performance (case in point.. GM LS3 limits throttle opening speed!? ) for the sake of mpg, driveability, reliability (warranty) and safety. ...

As someone pointed out the actual dollars saved vs. cost of mods... mostly point of tuning is to usually to increase performance/or change the computer to adjust for mods.
 

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Another point to consider most non-performance (eg. Charger, Hellcat, Camaro, Mustang etc.) vehicles get tuned by the Manufacturer for MPG, and NVH (Noise Vibration and Harshness). They spend countless hours and millions of miles to do this. Its unlikely some shop, or tuner is going to suddenly make a huge difference...that they missed. Especially with CAFE standards to meet.

What you see from the power (hp) side is they often leave things on the table to get more power at the expense of mileage, but rarely the other way around. Often they even de-tune performance (case in point.. GM LS3 limits throttle opening speed!? ) for the sake of mpg, driveability, reliability (warranty) and safety. ...

As someone pointed out the actual dollars saved vs. cost of mods... mostly point of tuning is to usually to increase performance/or change the computer to adjust for mods.
I see this is an old thread but have to post. This is not true. Tuning is not done striclty for mileage OR for performance. As a matter of fact usually to get better mileage you will get better performance as well. The "detuning" you get with the factory tuning is to increase reliability but if you are to "tune" it up and increasethe performance and usethat extra power responsibly then you will get the benefit of increased mileage. There is a lot more that goes along with all this but that is the easy read version and the jyst of the point Im trying to make known here.
 

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I see this is an old thread but have to post. This is not true. Tuning is not done striclty for mileage OR for performance. As a matter of fact usually to get better mileage you will get better performance as well. The "detuning" you get with the factory tuning is to increase reliability but if you are to "tune" it up and increasethe performance and usethat extra power responsibly then you will get the benefit of increased mileage. There is a lot more that goes along with all this but that is the easy read version and the jyst of the point Im trying to make known here.
That’s an interesting take. Have you been involved professionally in the tune settings for new vehicles, or do you have an authoritative source you can cite to substantiate this information?
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Can't speak to the gladiator, but ran the pulsar on my 2017 ram rebel for 100k miles and never had an issue. Of course with the 5.7L hemi the performance time was too fun to not use it. The mpg tune felt slower than stock so I never ran it for more than a few miles. The tow tune did improve power and got about 1mpg better than stock.
 

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That’s an interesting take. Have you been involved professionally in the tune settings for new vehicles, or do you have an authoritative source you can cite to substantiate this information?
Thanks in advance.
I can not say I have any proof to provide here to substantiate this fact. Mainly because I'm too lazy or willing to dig that deep in to previous years discussions and follows ups to any individuals involved in my previous tuning. But, I can say this is based on many years of real world experience. I had my 2006 LBZ Duramax tuned by Rob Coddens the record holder of the fastest DMax in the world at the time. He was one of the first companies (ATP) to be hunted down by the EPA or whoever it was that figures better mileage is bad for the environment (ironic, right? I know theres more to it but still). I had a lifted Duramax with the same tires I'm running on the JT right now (different wheels) and got waaaaaaay better mileage. I used to have an excel sheet I made to calculate my mileage over long periods to get real world #'s and trial and error with different tunes and the best mileage was gained from my higher hp street tune. All tunes were "stock safe" with my minor mods but even the mileage tune was barely comparable to the highest hp tune. The problem was if you enjoyed the fun factor at all you would waste the gains in no time. Mileage tune was also much more noticeable over stock in hp levels with snappier throttle response etc. But it is what it is if your smashing the pedal around town all day vs driving reasonably you will get the gains on mpg from more power or not depending. I mean maybe the little gasser responds completely different, I doubt it but I don't know. I do feel these units are under powered too though and still getting used to this thing, it is my first JEEP and I want to give it a fair go with hopes of keeping it for years to come. Got my 06' in 08' and kept it until recently even through multiple other vehicles, so I'm hoping this one suits me as good too.
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