What is an unpopular opinion you have in the Jeep community?

[Jeeper44mag]

Bro, the sun is unbearable here. Even with a sunshade in place, the humidity and bugs kill whatever joy you might get from the "open air" experience. That and a densely populated metro area in Florida is the last place I want to leave any vehicle, much less a $60+ Jeep open for idiots to rummage around in.

I have every intention of taking more advantage of the removeable components when we move back up north. But right now, they stay in place. Florida sucks.

He's not wrong.... 80% of the year. We get about a month and a half each fall (Novemberish) and spring (March), and the rest of the year it's either WAY WAY too muggy & hot, or (for about two months) too cold, or raining cats & dogs, to truly enjoy open air weather. And unless you're in rural Florida where people mostly won't mess with other people's stuff, you don't dare leave your jeep open or unlocked unless you have NOTHING of any value in it, and don't mind some meth-head, or gang member, ransacking your jeep for loose change or valuables.

Luis

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[Jeeper44mag]

In our case, it would mean moving.
People assume broadband, cable, fiber, whatever, is everywhere. It's not as good as people assume.
This country is way behind on internet.

Nearest fiber optic system from my house is a neighborhood that's a solid ~6 miles away, and since most houses out here are on 2-10 acres, it's highly unlikely that we'll see any fiber optic lines run out here in the next 10+ years at the very least. LOTS of the country doesn't have any access to any sort of cable unless you count satellite.

 

[Jeeper44mag]

Jeep should have and still should offer a 2 door Gladiator.

With a 6' bed!

Luis

 

[Jeeper44mag]

We need some “on-road” Jeep mods. Let me explain:

For many of us it’s frankly an “aspirational” purchase. I started out shopping for a truck, not another Jeep, and of course I’m thrilled to have both in one package. Sure, I do some sand, some snow, but I only get really off-road a few times a year. Most of my driving hours are fighting traffic.

What I really need is an Urban Assault Vehicle. Lifted, Armored, spiked, able to squirt noxious fluids at surrounding vehicles and deserving pedestrians (rotting whale oil would be good). A directional antenna to jam cell phones or even better broadcast “driving suggestions” through a neighboring vehicles radio. Super heavy duty air filtration, reasonable bullet resistance, active, pain inflicting, anti- theft devices. Some James Bond auto weaponry. Color changing paint (what happened to that anyway?). Electronic jamming, cloaking, the works. A push-button inflatable bed cap and some other body parts to deter subsequent identification. I want 37” run-flat tires, steel spikes that extend 2 feet in every direction when I lock it in a parking lot.

What else would the Gladiator UAV need? ?

LMAO! You and I think alike!

 

[Dickster]

Obviously, if you read my entire post, adding a supercharger will add far more power than a regear for a couple grand more. I'll take actual power over lower gearing. Outside of 1st gear, low gears gain you nothing. 7th gear with 4.10s is exactly the same as 8th gear with 5.13s. The engine doesn't and tires both don't care how the final drive got there, whether it's transmission gearing or axle gearing. The difference is I can roll 85mph at 2100rpm and the tabs will Firebaugh when I need more gearing/rpms. Running 5.13s you're out of shifts by 45mph and running extra rpms even under low loads like down hill. Had our jlur on 38s regeared to 5.38s and hated it. I felt like the 4.56s in our 2nd jlur were too low with the stock 35s. I'm not saying 4.10s are optimal for 37s, but I wouldn't spend the money to regearas there's very little gain.

You must not live close to any hills.

 

[Zachanadandy]

You must not live close to any hills.

It downshifts for the up hills, and unlike those who gear too low, it cruises along at 2000 rpms in 8th gear on the downhills. The grade coming in to baker, CA from Las Vegas is downhill for 20+ miles. 2k rpms at 80+ no problem. On the way up it might shift all the way down in to 5th to maintain 80mph, over geared might hold 6th in the same scenario. We will have the same rpm on the way up, the engine doesn't know the difference between more of the gearing coming from the trans vs more coming from the axle gears. Final drive ratio is all that matters. The difference is on the downhills it should be at low rpms in the 2nd overdrive gear but some gear the axles so low they never see less than 2500rpm on the freeway regardless of load.

 

[Dickster]

It downshifts for the up hills, and unlike those who gear too low, it cruises along at 2000 rpms in 8th gear on the downhills. The grade coming in to baker, CA from Las Vegas is downhill for 20+ miles. 2k rpms at 80+ no problem. On the way up it might shift all the way down in to 5th to maintain 80mph, over geared might hold 6th in the same scenario. We will have the same rpm on the way up, the engine doesn't know the difference between more of the gearing coming from the trans vs more coming from the axle gears. Final drive ratio is all that matters. The difference is on the downhills it should be at low rpms in the 2nd overdrive gear but some gear the axles so low they never see less than 2500rpm on the freeway regardless of load.

So pretty flat besides a few mountain passes. I have 38s with 4:10s and I can tell you it's a dog. 65-70 I never see 8th and speed limits around here are mostly 55. Most road around western oregon are pretty hilly with hair pins and low speeds. My jeep is in the shop now for gear and going with 5.38s. It's not a matter of freeway speeds but just overall driving sucks lol.

Photo is me doing 65mph and stuck in 6th wouldn't shift to 7th gear till 70mph.

 

[Zachanadandy]

So pretty flat besides a few mountain passes. I have 38s with 4:10s and I can tell you it's a dog. 65-70 I never see 8th and speed limits around here are mostly 55. Most road around western oregon are pretty hilly with hair pins and low speeds. My jeep is in the shop now for gear and going with 5.38s. It's not a matter of freeway speeds but just overall driving sucks lol.

Photo is me doing 65mph and stuck in 6th wouldn't shift to 7th gear till 70mph.

Our 2019 JLUR was on 38s, but it had the 2.0t. Made the mistake of 5.38s. You'll see 8th gear all the time for sure, like any speed over 40mph. What's the point of an 8 speed if it's out of shifts by half the speed limit? People think the damn thing is broken if it spends "too much time" in 7th. That's still an overdrive. It's the top gear in the JK in fact. I don't want or need my jeep geared so it is always in the 2nd overdrive. It will still spin the 37s if I pull away from a stop sign too hard with the 4.10s. Sure 4.56s would be optimal for my driving style but I'm not about to drop $3k for a bit more gearing. As I've stated, a supercharger will add actual power for a few grand more and you can bet it will downshift less with an extra 130hp too. If you rarely drive over 55mph, then gearing so it's in the top gear by 40 works. If you roadtrip thousands of miles a year at 80+, that gearing sucks in my experience.

 

[Dickster]

Our 2019 JLUR was on 38s, but it had the 2.0t. Made the mistake of 5.38s. You'll see 8th gear all the time for sure, like any speed over 40mph. What's the point of an 8 speed if it's out of shifts by half the speed limit? People think the damn thing is broken if it spends "too much time" in 7th. That's still an overdrive. It's the top gear in the JK in fact. I don't want or need my jeep geared so it is always in the 2nd overdrive. It will still spin the 37s if I pull away from a stop sign too hard with the 4.10s. Sure 4.56s would be optimal for my driving style but I'm not about to drop $3k for a bit more gearing. As I've stated, a supercharger will add actual power for a few grand more and you can bet it will downshift less with an extra 130hp too. If you rarely drive over 55mph, then gearing so it's in the top gear by 40 works. If you roadtrip thousands of miles a year at 80+, that gearing sucks in my experience.

Yeah I rarely see 7th gear now lol. I am going to 5.38s more for off road. I do have a procharger in the works just waiting for my buddy to finalize his dealer status with them. I will let you know what I think of everything. Also the JT has about 800lbs on the JLu? If I do long distance we take the grand cherokee or my full size truck.

 

[Zachanadandy]

Yeah I rarely see 7th gear now lol. I am going to 5.38s more for off road. I do have a procharger in the works just waiting for my buddy to finalize his dealer status with them. I will let you know what I think of everything. Also the JT has about 800lbs on the JLu? If I do long distance we take the grand cherokee or my full size truck.

But the gc or full size truck kinda suck in moab, the desert, or any of the long trips we take to use the Jeeps? With the 4-1 Rubicon case I've never once felt the need for more gearing off road in either of the JLUs. Curb weights stock are almost the same. I'd bet the wife's JLUR with full skids and 39s weighs more than my JTM. The JTM definitely won't need gearing off road as I bought it to use in the desert. I've seen 8th gear in 2HI in the dirt already. Again different use cases. If I lived in a mountain town and didn't drive all over the country to get to the trails I would probably lean towards the low end of gearing. The v6 is kind of a dog compared to the hemi in my ram, but compared to every wrangler, xj, etc I've ever owned before it the thing is a powerhouse. Add the 4.7-1 1st gear and a jk would need 5.38s just to match the 1st gear drive ratio with 4.10s. These things are amazing on and off road by comparison.

 

[Dickster]

But the gc or full size truck kinda suck in moab, the desert, or any of the long trips we take to use the Jeeps? With the 4-1 Rubicon case I've never once felt the need for more gearing off road in either of the JLUs. Curb weights stock are almost the same. I'd bet the wife's JLUR with full skids and 39s weighs more than my JTM. The JTM definitely won't need gearing off road as I bought it to use in the desert. I've seen 8th gear in 2HI in the dirt already. Again different use cases. If I lived in a mountain town and didn't drive all over the country to get to the trails I would probably lean towards the low end of gearing. The v6 is kind of a dog compared to the hemi in my ram, but compared to every wrangler, xj, etc I've ever owned before it the thing is a powerhouse. Add the 4.7-1 1st gear and a jk would need 5.38s just to match the 1st gear drive ratio with 4.10s. These things are amazing on and off road by comparison.

Any long distance off road trips over 8hrs my jeep will be on a trailer. 65mph is the highest speed limit in oregon.

 

[Zachanadandy]

Any long distance off road trips over 8hrs my jeep will be on a trailer. 65mph is the highest speed limit in oregon.

Also hated trailering the Jeep so I sold the trailer. Truck got worse mileage than the Jeep on 38s when towing it. Why deal with the headaches of trailering when I can drive the Jeep? We roadtriped the last one to moab and back 1100 miles each way and clear to Alabama and back 2300 miles each way. On 38s. Wheeled it in AR and AL both. The moab trip it was still on 4.10s. The AL trip was on 5.38s. Worse fuel economy on 5.38s.

 

[Dickster]

Also hated trailering the Jeep so I sold the trailer. Truck got worse mileage than the Jeep on 38s when towing it. Why deal with the headaches of trailering when I can drive the Jeep? We roadtriped the last one to moab and back 1100 miles each way and clear to Alabama and back 2300 miles each way. On 38s. Wheeled it in AR and AL both. The moab trip it was still on 4.10s. The AL trip was on 5.38s. Worse fuel economy on 5.38s.

I get 16mpg towing my jeep. When I go wheeling that far from home I prefer to have it trailered because parts do break. Sometimes parts are not available and you always have a way back home. I don't have plans to drive my jeep that far I have other vehicles.

 

[Zachanadandy]

I get 16mpg towing my jeep. When I go wheeling that far from home I prefer to have it trailered because parts do break. Sometimes parts are not available and you always have a way back home. I don't have plans to drive my jeep that far I have other vehicles.

My buddy used the same argument, until his tow rig had the parts failure in Utah. Had to rent a truck and trailer to get his truck home and enlist another buddy with a truck to get his trailer and Jeep back. Parts do fail, and you're just adding more potential failures to the list.

 

[Badunit]

Opinions on gearing are all over the place. Only the most wild of opinions on gearing are "unpopular", if even them. Mine is that I like my engine to run in a happy place. If it needs to downshift out of 8th for every little incline, it is not in a happy place, it is in lugging territory. On the flip side, 2700rpm is where the 3.6 goes into high lift mode so I feel 2500rpm (or so) is the top of its happy place for cruising. It is all a compromise, though. If I lived in a place with 20+ mile long inclines and declines vs a lot of short ups and downs, I'd probably want it to cruise downhill at 2000rpm and use 7th (or lower) for all uphills. My choice of gearing would very likely be different.

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