wife wants to buy the new JEEP EV.....opinions?

[Stitchedupseats]

I didn’t buy it to save tons of money or save the environment. We bought ours because we liked it. I had a Chevy volt for 3 years and it was a great experience. Hoping for the same plug in experience.
That being said, I already had a level 2 charger and didn’t have that expense. When I bought it, I got a state tax incentive for it and the install of the outlet circuit.

The same charger I bought 4 years ago for about 300$ is now over 700$?!?! What in the world.

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[jpjpjp]

With the rebate, it costs very little more than a 4cyl Auto. Less, given the added content.
you have to check your vehicle charging rates with your utility. Some are super cheap. That said, for the daily mileage you can drive on electricity, the savings don’t warrant an expensive new vehicle. No way of knowing if the 4xe drivetrain will help or hurt resale value.

My kWh cost is $0.13, but the delivery cost is about the same so I pay $0.25/kWh, which makes going electric not very cost-effective. I'd be curious what the total kWh cost is in other areas of the country. I'd also be curious what the cost and possibility of swapping the battery as an upgrade in the future would be, if it is even remotely possible.

With the Ford F-150 Lightning debut this week, when is Jeep going to introduce its 4xe equivalent Gladiator? The F-150 is going with a truck bed mounted generator option to follow the hybrid model.

 

[jpjpjp]

One reason to go electric is the fact you don't get grumpy neighbor looks or waves to slow down. I was maybe in 3rd or 4th gear in my WRX going 30mph or less in a 25 zone and a neighborhood dog walker was waving at me to slow down like I was going 50. Give me a Gladiator 4xe so I can blast past at 40-50mph to show them the difference. In an old neighborhood, I had some woman yelling at me to slow down when I was going exactly 25mph. If I zipped past going 50 in a prius, I would have gotten the prius wave.

 

[Willys2Gladiator]

My kWh cost is $0.13, but the delivery cost is about the same so I pay $0.25/kWh, which makes going electric not very cost-effective. I'd be curious what the total kWh cost is in other areas of the country. I'd also be curious what the cost and possibility of swapping the battery as an upgrade in the future would be, if it is even remotely possible.

With the Ford F-150 Lightning debut this week, when is Jeep going to introduce its 4xe equivalent Gladiator? The F-150 is going with a truck bed mounted generator option to follow the hybrid model.

Until they can get more than 21 miles on a charge why bother?

What's holding Jeep back when others can get a much higher range? Seems so silly. If it can go a minimum of 150 miles per charge then it's something to consider. Unless the government just starts increasing electrical tax.......it's coming folks!

 

[Mr._Bill]

Until they can get more than 21 miles on a charge why bother?

What's holding Jeep back when others can get a much higher range? Seems so silly. If it can go a minimum of 150 miles per charge then it's something to consider. Unless the government just starts increasing electrical tax.......it's coming folks!

The limit on distance is due to the size of the battery, which is limited based on the location choice for the battery.

 

[MrKnowitall]

One reason to go electric is the fact you don't get grumpy neighbor looks or waves to slow down. I was maybe in 3rd or 4th gear in my WRX going 30mph or less in a 25 zone and a neighborhood dog walker was waving at me to slow down like I was going 50. Give me a Gladiator 4xe so I can blast past at 40-50mph to show them the difference. In an old neighborhood, I had some woman yelling at me to slow down when I was going exactly 25mph. If I zipped past going 50 in a prius, I would have gotten the prius wave.

Sometimes golf balls get away from me when repeat offenders approach.

 

[XJADDICTION]

The limit on distance is due to the size of the battery, which is limited based on the location choice for the battery.

This isn’t true;
- the limit to the battery is thermal dynamics especially when charging.
- the limit to range is current battery tech lithium ion
- the limit to charging speed is again thermal dynamics caused by the battery tabs for one.

Tesla announced new battery tech with 4680 tabless batteries. These are already in production and will probably be in 300 model Tesla 4th quarter 2021. These 4680 batteries will equate to quicker charges, lower thermal dynamics, using raw lithium, a ceramic plate between diodes (reduces dramatically the chance of fire and battery explosions).

4680 is supposed to increase range by 20%

Very soon sodium ion batteries will be available, Toyota is $19B invested in this tech, as well as many other manufacturers.

Contrary to popular belief, Tesla and Toyota look to be in collaboration on a Toyota EV small Sport Ute and battery tech.

Sodium ion battery in a 300 model Tesla will be 1/3rd the size of current lithium ion battery, lighter, 100% recyclable, does not use lithium, low thermal dynamics, charge to full capacity in under 5 minutes and a Tesla model 300 can travel 1000 miles on a single charge.

Life spans of sodium ion and 4680 batteries are expected to be around 480,000 miles.

Electric cars are much more
Reliable than internal combustion.

Current cheapest new Tesla is about $38,000. Tesla will introduce the 200 model in 2022 that is priced between $20,000-$25,000

 

[Mr._Bill]

This isn’t true;
- the limit to the battery is thermal dynamics especially when charging.
- the limit to range is current battery tech lithium ion
- the limit to charging speed is again thermal dynamics caused by the battery tabs for one.

Tesla announced new battery tech with 4680 tabless batteries. These are already in production and will probably be in 300 model Tesla 4th quarter 2021. These 4680 batteries will equate to quicker charges, lower thermal dynamics, using raw lithium, a ceramic plate between diodes (reduces dramatically the chance of fire and battery explosions).

4680 is supposed to increase range by 20%

Very soon sodium ion batteries will be available, Toyota is $19B invested in this tech, as well as many other manufacturers.

Contrary to popular belief, Tesla and Toyota look to be in collaboration on a Toyota EV small Sport Ute and battery tech.

Sodium ion battery in a 300 model Tesla will be 1/3rd the size of current lithium ion battery, lighter, 100% recyclable, does not use lithium, low thermal dynamics, charge to full capacity in under 5 minutes and a Tesla model 300 can travel 1000 miles on a single charge.

Life spans of sodium ion and 4680 batteries are expected to be around 480,000 miles.

Electric cars are much more
Reliable than internal combustion.

Current cheapest new Tesla is about $38,000. Tesla will introduce the 200 model in 2022 that is priced between $20,000-$25,000

None of that is relevant. The distance limit for this model is due to the small battery in it. The battery is small because it is placed inside under the rear seat.

 

[Deleted member 39643]

Jeep is claiming 49 mpg overall hwy....

This got mentioned elsewhere, but the 49 mpg isn't quite true. Maybe only while the battery pack lasts, but eventually you will be a heavier version of the regular JK, so worse fuel mileage.

I think it is a nice upgrade if you like the tech and get a benefit from it. Lot of nice perks from electric / partial EVs depending where you are. It is faster also. I'd ignore all the trolls on this site, they just mad there is no Viper engine offered for the Gladiator.

In my own opinion, it'd be cool if Jeep released a 2 door wrangler all EV that was as lightweight as possible, aka convertible + manual door locks + no power steering+ no ac with a 0-60 of under 4 sec, that would be sweet

 

[tikijimmy]

Others have posted the electric savings is only a few cents per mile difference.

A few cents a mile really adds up if you drive tens of thousands of miles every year.

 

[tikijimmy]

The Department of Energy has a pretty good site explaining how the MPGe is determined.

It's pretty opaque, but at least the magical secret formula is consistent across all hybrids.

 

[SwampNut]

We got a Tesla M3 AWD dual-motor a few weeks ago. Real world "fuel" cost is 1.3 cents per mile when charging at home at night. That's amazingly cheap. Add in the fact that there's pretty much no maintenance other than tires, and that's hundreds a year potentially. You'd never change the brakes, for example, because of regenerative braking.

I did the Cybertruck deposit and will trade in the Gladiator when it's available.

 

[XJADDICTION]

None of that is relevant. The distance limit for this model is due to the small battery in it. The battery is small because it is placed inside under the rear seat.

It is relevant because the new batteries will take less space (space won’t matter because a battery bank will be much smaller) and the EV will charge faster and travel more miles.

I would wait to purchase an EV.

 

[Tee Jay]

After receiving a great offer to sell my '17 JKU, and not knowing whether Gecko was really coming to the JTs, I picked up a JLUR 4xe a week ago. I live 27 miles from work, and I plug in at work. I was at just over a half tank of gas when I filled up yesterday - I used 8.5 gallons of gas in 350 miles.

 

[JMJ52876]

Ask a lot of questions about the longevity of these electric cars. I too was intrigued so I went up to my local dealership to look at the Jeep 4xe they just got in. Well, when I spoke to the sales guy it was the best thing Jeep has ever produced.
I walked back to service to say hi and asked them what they thought. Their faces went south quick. One said the batteries have a life like any battery, and just one doesn't go out, they all go out. He couldn't tell me what the cost to replace would be for the Jeep, but other vehicles cost upwards of $10,000 to replace. I asked how long till they go bad? They shrugged and said maybe 5-6 years. They suggested staying with gas powered. If you go up to your dealership, go back to service and ask them about it before you talk to the sales guy trying to make commission.

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