death wobble / shimmy/ blah blah blah fixed !

[kennyglm]

Strange group of people in this forum if i wanted all this bitching i would join facebook again. I am OUT OF HERE CHAPS. SEE YAAAAAA

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[ShadowsPapa]

You clearly didn’t look at the pic. ?

It’s a TJ with stock inverted Y steering. The tie rod connects to the drag link.

Either way, the tie rod does not connect to the pitman arm. The drag link connects to the pitman.
The drag link is here-

(6) in the picture above is the outer socket, part of the drag link and NOT the tie rod. And, it is GLADIATOR.

DRAG LINK -

The tie rod is shown here and clearly does go knuckle to knuckle. It never connects to the pitman arm.

Even the pic originally referred to shows and proves the DRAG LINK connects to the pitman, not the tie rod.
Tie rods have never connected to the pitman.

and theres a replaceable tierod attached to it . Have a look on your own truck its there

Sorry, that's NOT a tie rod and if you go to MOPAR and order TIE ROD, you will not get THAT part.
The part you reference is the DRAG LINK outer socket.

I've done front ends for 50 years - nomenclature is very important.
If you go order a "tie rod" you'll be screwed.
SOCKET, drag link, outer, is what you want.

Sorry, that is NOT a tie rod!! You obviously are not a mechanic, have never worked in a parts store or ordered parts.

A tie rod can connect to a drag link - and with IFS cars, they usually did, but a tie rod never attaches to the pitman arm.

We're trying to teach proper terminology so people don't get screwed up trying to figure it out, and so they can correct order parts, etc.

If you torque some parts based on incorrect NAMES, you may break things - there's a reason for names.

 

[Mjolnir]

You clearly didn’t look at the pic. ?

It’s a TJ with stock inverted Y steering. The tie rod connects to the drag link.

You would be correct. Can't say how long it's been since I've seen that setup, but I shouldve actually looked. Sorry all.

At least one of the points I made was correct LOL: Tie rod does not connect to the pitman arm and OP refuses to learn.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

You would be correct. Can't say how long it's been since I've seen that setup, but I shouldve actually looked. Sorry all.

At least one of the points I made was correct LOL: Tie rod does not connect to the pitman arm and OP refuses to learn.

We were all looking at the right side/part of the image - the driver side of the parts.

and

yes.

 

[Randonexplosion]

Its all a matter of terminology. Look at an IFS steering setup with inner and outer tie rods. Go to the parts store and open the box, its a "ball socket" or whatever you wanna call it. I call them tie rod ends. Some people just call them tie rods. There are a ton of different "rod ends" in the offroad aftermarket. Heims, tapered ball sockets, uniballs... they are all rod ends.


@kennyglm its all good man. Just a bunch of guys bickering like old women

 

[Lunentucker]

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[ShadowsPapa]

Its all a matter of terminology. Look at an IFS steering setup with inner and outer tie rods. Go to the parts store and open the box, its a "ball socket" or whatever you wanna call it. I call them tie rod ends. Some people just call them tie rods. There are a ton of different "rod ends" in the offroad aftermarket. Heims, tapered ball sockets, uniballs... they are all rod ends.


@kennyglm its all good man. Just a bunch of guys bickering like old women

Those are tie rod ends - Inner and outer tie rod ends.
The assembly is a tie rod - that includes inner tie rod end, outer tie rod end, and sleeve with clamps.

The drag link on these has sockets that can be replaced. They aren't tie rods.
It's really that simple.

I've worked parts stores, took college classes, training with GM and Chrysler and Ford, and have parts books.
There's really no "bickering" to it when one can point to the books and decades of experience as a pro.

Call it what you want but if you go to a parts store and order a TIE ROD, you will never get the drag link.

So, where's the drag link and where's the tie rod?

The term actually predates automobiles - it was used in farm equipment, etc. - cultivators, for example.

 

[Randonexplosion]

Those are tie rod ends. Inner and outer tie rod ends. The assembly is a tie rod - that includes inner tie rod end, outer tie rod end, and sleeve with clamps.

The drag link on these has sockets that can be replaced. They aren't tie rods.
It's really that simple.

I agree with you but sometimes the slang or shorthand can overcome the technical terms. If I need an actual "tie rod" or drag link at any of my local parts stores I would have to specify that. If I went in and asked for a tie rod they would ask which one? At the knuckle? At the pitman arm?

Maybe its just something in the water in Colorado...

 

[P.Lo]

Jeep did have a bad run of ends on some drag link / Track bar, and yes, it WOULD cause a high speed DEATH WOBBLE in some cases. My JT was one of them, and before some snowflake tries to tell me I don't know what a death wobble is, go pound sand with that comment. The faulty end would violently set the front wheels in motion with just the slightest bit of input like out of balance or worn tires. I also replaced had the Track bar replaced and it was 98% fixed......... getting a new set of tires finished it off.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Jeep did have a bad run of ends on some drag link / Track bar, and yes, it WOULD cause a high speed DEATH WOBBLE in some cases. My JT was one of them, and before some snowflake tries to tell me I don't know what a death wobble is, go pound sand with that comment. The faulty end would violently set the front wheels in motion with just the slightest bit of input like out of balance or worn tires. I also replaced had the Track bar replaced and it was 98% fixed......... getting a new set of tires finished it off.

No one is going to suggest you didn't experience it - you defined it quite well, even.
The term "violent" is a great definition.
It's scary, it's violent, and in almost every case I've seen or experienced, it doesn't just "stop" - you have to slow down or even all but stop.
My F250 was on the edge.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

If I had a Nickle for every caller who said the internet diagnosed their condition as death wobble.....

I collect coins, so if you have any pre-Jefferson nickels, I might be interested............

 

[CrazyCooter]

I collect coins, so if you have any pre-Jefferson nickels, I might be interested............

Not sure......I pull every coin that sounds different to me.....toss it in the safe. Been doing it for years.

 

[Wheelin98TJ]

Either way, the tie rod does not connect to the pitman arm. The drag link connects to the pitman.
The drag link is here-

(6) in the picture above is the outer socket, part of the drag link and NOT the tie rod. And, it is GLADIATOR.

DRAG LINK -

The tie rod is shown here and clearly does go knuckle to knuckle. It never connects to the pitman arm.

Even the pic originally referred to shows and proves the DRAG LINK connects to the pitman, not the tie rod.
Tie rods have never connected to the pitman.



Sorry, that's NOT a tie rod and if you go to MOPAR and order TIE ROD, you will not get THAT part.
The part you reference is the DRAG LINK outer socket.

I've done front ends for 50 years - nomenclature is very important.
If you go order a "tie rod" you'll be screwed.
SOCKET, drag link, outer, is what you want.

Sorry, that is NOT a tie rod!! You obviously are not a mechanic, have never worked in a parts store or ordered parts.

A tie rod can connect to a drag link - and with IFS cars, they usually did, but a tie rod never attaches to the pitman arm.

We're trying to teach proper terminology so people don't get screwed up trying to figure it out, and so they can correct order parts, etc.

If you torque some parts based on incorrect NAMES, you may break things - there's a reason for names.

I’m not sure why you quoted me here. Did I say something incorrect, or are you just adding to what I already said?

 

[ShadowsPapa]

or are you just adding to what I already said?

Yeah, but not a very good job of it, I guess.

 

[Wheelin98TJ]

Yeah, but not a very good job of it, I guess.

It could’ve been the 3 drinks I had with dinner that caused my confusion. ?

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