Am I stupid to Keep in garage

[JW Jeep]

I guess if I had a sport or even an overland I wouldn’t even garage it and let it sit outside no matter the weather and ride it in worst conditions. I actually had a sport max tow and kept it outside and drove it no matter the roads. But an extra 15k ish I think I’d rather be smart and preserve it instead of cut down the years I can! Plus I paid it off so a bit more pride then to just sit outside and let it get pissed on lol to each their own I guess. I mean I always laugh at jeeps/trucks with large lifts and insane tires too. Always makes me think something else is going on there so maybe I’m just overall in the minority! One day when I save up another 60k I’ll buy a second for a toy

We’ll the sport model may be cheaper but my overland sticker was at $58.000 . That being said I garage mine and drive between storms in winter when roads are dry. Not because of snow, Ice and salt but because here in western Colorado they use chat on the roads (small rock ) . The chat is supposed to be 1/4 inch but a lot of times it’s a lot bigger. They really get carried away sometimes . They do sweep it back up eventually. They also use mag chloride. When I lived in upstate New York years ago we would buy winter cars just for the season when I had muscle cars. I remember a Plymouth valiant I had with the slant 6 engine, couldn’t kill it but the front suspension fell completely out of it from rust out ?

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[Erievon]

The best turning and parking experience for a Jeep was a Liberty we had for a while.

I don't know if you had a KJ or KK but my wife had a 04 KJ for the longest time. That little ute was an awesome vehicle for it's time.

 

[CyberHero]

We’ll the sport model may be cheaper but my overland sticker was at $58.000 . That being said I garage mine and drive between storms in winter when roads are dry. Not because of snow, Ice and salt but because here in western Colorado they use chat on the roads (small rock ) . The chat is supposed to be 1/4 inch but a lot of times it’s a lot bigger. They really get carried away sometimes . They do sweep it back up eventually. They also use mag chloride. When I lived in upstate New York years ago we would buy winter cars just for the season when I had muscle cars. I remember a Plymouth valiant I had with the slant 6 engine, couldn’t kill it but the front suspension fell completely out of it from rust out ?

dear god that sounds horrible

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Calcium chloride has been used for decades as weight in tractor tires. it's really heavy and won't freeze until you get well below 0F (something like minus 20)
I used to have it in tractor tires until I went other directions. I had an F20 where the old guy used ClCa in the tires on it for winter use and weight and it literally rotted the valve cores and rims away over time. The rims I got the tractor with had been patched and were finally beyond use at all. I've seen a lot of "streams of rust" on tractor rims from that stuff.

Because I have had the plow on my Jeep the last 2 weeks or so, and because it causes trouble with the Jeep's placement of the ambient temp sensor causing the HVAC to not work correctly, when it's been cold we've taken my wife's JLU out in this garbage. Take a look at the pics - hers is the reign JLU - also look at the back where it's literally come up as if you were driving on a dirt road - as a dust. I will now have to remove the tire cover and clean it inside and out as well as totally clean anything on that rear tailgate.
I'm not waiting until spring, I'll bundle up and live through the wet cold - this stuff is not staying on these for long.

Granted, mine is an ordinary looked-down-upon by the big Jeep guys cheap Overland - but it's a loaded one and all I could afford with a MSRP of about 62K (I got a heck of a good price on my 2020 trade and under invoice after talking really nice to them but still, it's not a cheap truck!)
I will do what I can to take care of it, while still using it for the purposes for which I purchased it.

Magnesium, Calcium, Sodium, when with Chloride, it's all salts.

The RSE power steps help a lot, on the flip side, I'll have to wash those out thoroughly as well and use more silicone spray up in there and make sure the spring gets cleaned and lubed up.

I can imagine the CaCl dust up in these power steps - good way to ruin them.

This is not snow and it's not a trick......... it's CaCl "salt".

It may seem "dry" but it flies up as a powder or dust around here and if it's calcium, it will suck moisture out of the air and "wet itself" and start eating things.
Get that crap off your Jeep ASAP, don't wait.

I'll wash the mats out and when I can, will remove them and make sure to wash out the whole floor of our Jeeps ->

 

[chorky]

The "brine" is a salt solution. Regardless of it being calcium chloride (CaCl) or sodium chloride (NaCl), it's still a salt.
While CaCl is safer for the concrete and environment and melts ice up to 3 times faster than "road salt", many say it's harder on our vehicle and actually accelerates rust.

This right here. I bolded it for you. Man you have no idea how many arguments I have gotten with coworkers about this. 2 of them are born and raised, one is from the rust belt, and another has experienced the rust belt. All of them wanted to argue against me that mag chloride is not bad and not caustic. So I presented some legit documentation from the DOT. They still didn't believe it. So I spoke with the area manager who told me they are using a higher concentration of salt brine now on the interstate, Missoula receives 100% rock salt, along with the pass between here and Idaho, and between me and Idaho is some combination of both. He said he makes sure his employees (plow drivers) take special time to wash the entire truck every single day knowing full well that this brine will destroy their trucks in a couple years if they dont. I presented this to my coworkers as well and they still wanted to argue against it. I guess they're just not smart people.... The fact is, rock salt, xxx-chloride. Salt is salt. And the brine is worse than salt as it sticks, continues to rust, and being a brine already is easier to get into cracks and creases that otherwise you can't with just rock salt.

it really makes me red face angry that they use this crap and expect citizens to just pay up the extra cost of damages.

Because I have had the plow on my Jeep the last 2 weeks or so, and because it causes trouble with the Jeep's placement of the ambient temp sensor causing the HVAC to not work correctly, when it's been cold we've taken my wife's JLU out in this garbage. Take a look at the pics - hers is the reign JLU - also look at the back where it's literally come up as if you were driving on a dirt road - as a dust. I will now have to remove the tire cover and clean it inside and out as well as totally clean anything on that rear tailgate.
I'm not waiting until spring, I'll bundle up and live through the wet cold - this stuff is not staying on these for long.

Man I wish I could do the same. I hate getting home and leaving that crap on the truck knowing theres nothing I can do. The only wash station in town is closed due to freezing temps. So I have no ability to clean it. I seriously am considering sending a bill to the state just to prove a point. Like you said yourself, we didnt have these problems 10 years ago. Sure they used salt but not on this level. I swear the only reason they do it is to try and get people to stop getting in wrecks. But no amount of treatment will prevent that. People even get in wrecks on dry roads so.....

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Look at what happens when Calcium Chloride or Magnesium Chloride are left out in the air - not sealed up......... (sodium chloride is the salt on the top)
It absorbs water and like magic, it's now a wet salt solution on your metal parts -

This from the state of MN -

There's a bottom line here - if there's "chloride" in the name, it's a salt of a metal and it will corrode things. Since salts of calcium and magnesium are hydroscopic and will draw water out of the air and form their own solution or paste, they can be far more damaging to a vehicle.
I have to deal with the hydroscopic properties of some of the chemicals I use in plating baths. They arrive in double-sealed plastic bottles, shrink wrapped in plastic. The minute I open them to start making up a solution, they get wet and clump. (zinc chloride is one of those I use and it's got to be sealed beyond belief or it will get wet and slimy in the bottle)

"YMMV" but.............. there it is.

 

[jac04]

Have there been any reports of rust issues? Particularly with the first year models?

If by rust, you mean only corrosion on steel, then I don't think I've seen any reports of anything too bad - usually just what I'd consider cosmetic surface rust on undercarriage parts. I haven't seen any reports of rust on steel body panels.

Now, if we are talking about aluminum corrosion on the hinges and body panels, then the answer is yes. Do a search and you will find all sorts of reports of hinge & body panel corrosion on JTs and JLs.

 

[AmosMoses]

We got 2-3 of snow and my wife’s car is covered in salt/frozen slush. Should I just be driving it or am I right to avoid getting it nasty to prevent future rust from the lovely Midwest weather! It’s only got 850 miles on it got it in sept and we don’t neeeeed it really. I mean I paid it off last week it’s a 23 rubicon so it’s loaded with all the features i wanted that I couldn’t do myself. I’m thinking why limit my years on it!

2-3 inches of snow can be dangerous to drive in. I would just stay home if I were you and let your husband go out instead for any errands/work etc. You focus on the homestead duties.

 

[ColoradoDennis]

Magnesium, Calcium, Sodium, when with Chloride, it's all salts.

Just to clarify for other readers: all chlorides are salts but not all salts are chlorides. It isn’t the presence of chloride in the equation that makes a compound a salt. A salt is created when a metal or a metal-like group replaces some or all of the acidic hydrogen in an acid. There are many ions that can combine with a metal to make a salt. Magnesium sulfate (Epsom salt) and sodium sulfate are salts, as are calcium carbonate and sodium carbonate.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Just to clarify for other readers: all chlorides are salts but not all salts are chlorides. It isn’t the presence of chloride in the equation that makes a compound a salt. A salt is created when a metal or a metal-like group replaces some or all of the acidic hydrogen in an acid. There are many ions that can combine with a metal to make a salt. Magnesium sulfate (Epsom salt) and sodium sulfate are salts, as are calcium carbonate and sodium carbonate.

Yes. Good expansion and explanation of why something is or is not a salt.

If I dissolved enough zinc plating in hydrochloric acid, I'd be forming zinc chloride. Hydrogen is actively released in the process.

My zinc plating bath consists, at least in part, of ammonium chloride and potassium chloride.

(I have a feeling I could learn a lot more if you visited my setup LOL. My chemistry is quite rusty. I liked your comment on salts, etc.)

2-3 inches of snow can be dangerous to drive in. I would just stay home if I were you and let your husband go out instead for any errands/work etc. You focus on the homestead duties.

Wow, what the heck was that???? pretty interesting since it was the husband that posted and you are implying "wimp" because he asked about protecting the Jeep or not, etc.
Ouch. Some accusations in there. Homestead duties? LOL - my wife would have something to say about that old-fashioned implication.
He was asking about the salt, crap, and preventing damage from same - not how to drive in snow.

 

[AmosMoses]

Yes. Good expansion and explanation of why something is or is not a salt.

If I dissolved enough zinc plating in hydrochloric acid, I'd be forming zinc chloride. Hydrogen is actively released in the process.

My zinc plating bath consists, at least in part, of ammonium chloride and potassium chloride.

(I have a feeling I could learn a lot more if you visited my setup LOL. My chemistry is quite rusty. I liked your comment on salts, etc.)


Wow, what the heck was that???? pretty interesting since it was the husband that posted and you are implying "wimp" because he asked about protecting the Jeep or not, etc.
Ouch. Some accusations in there. Homestead duties? LOL - my wife would have something to say about that old-fashioned implication.
He was asking about the salt, crap, and preventing damage from same - not how to drive in snow.

Yea, I typed that out and proof read it before I posted it and everything.

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