3.0 ecodiesel

[Saltymedic]

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Basic architecture is the same as the modern 3.0, and it's ugly.



I have zero complaints on the gasser 3.6.
I really don't understand the calls for more power in such a vehicle as the Gladiator.
The 3.6 is more than sufficient for highway driving and off-roading.
If you're going to be doing a lot of towing this probably isn't right vehicle for you anyway, and you'd better served with a full size pickup.

These do not share the same basic architecture. That's just false. The engine's share very little from the second generation.

If you haven't owned one, you have little to offer. Let the diesel guys share their experiences instead.

Personally I'm on my second eco and would not/won't buy the gasser until they install something with real truck power.

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[916WI]

Again... why do you think that is? If diesels are so awesome/desirable, why are they having to throw so much money on the hood to move them - and most of all, why have they been completely discontinued for '24?

The dealerships are throwing more money on the hoods of the lesser 3.6 equipped trucks. Many of the loaded ecodiesels in the more unique colors have already been picked through. I traded in my 2022 3.6 for a 2023 3.0........I really couldn't see myself going back. I couldn't care less about fuel efficiency. The clatter and the torque of the diesel takes the platform to another level........

 

[Jefe1018]

The dealerships are throwing more money on the hoods of the lesser 3.6 equipped trucks. Many of the loaded ecodiesels in the more unique colors have already been picked through. I traded in my 2022 3.6 for a 2023 3.0........I really couldn't see myself going back. I couldn't care less about fuel efficiency. The clatter and the torque of the diesel takes the platform to another level........

But it costs more you fanatic!!!!!

 

[916WI]

But it costs more you fanatic!!!!!

That’s sarcasm btw…

Long live the oil burner!

LOL--That was a check that was really easy to write. As has been said multiple times, you only live once, so if you've got the money, why not?!?

 

[Jefe1018]

LOL--That was a check that was really easy to write. As has been said multiple times, you only live once, so if you've got the money, why not?!?

I ain’t got it, just my turn to spend it.

 

[Rusty PW]

All threads like this, you have the haters and the ones who like them. Most of the haters have never driven one. The ones that like them have one. I have a '22 JTRD that just turn 2 yrs old with 35,000 miles on it. The only problem I've had with it. Was the oem tonneau cover. It had to be replaced. 2 recalls, the tailgate latch and the fuel pump. Maintenance costs ain't that much. I went from a 08 Power Wagon to this. It fits my needs perfectly. I've driven mine across country a few times already. I've done most of the trails at Rausch Creek, and a few at Moab.

 

[Jefe1018]

All threads like this, you have the haters and the ones who like them. Most of the haters have never driven one. The ones that like them have one. I have a '22 JTRD that just turn 2 yrs old with 35,000 miles on it. The only problem I've had with it. Was the oem tonneau cover. It had to be replaced. 2 recalls, the tailgate latch and the fuel pump. Maintenance costs ain't that much. I went from a 08 Power Wagon to this. It fits my needs perfectly. I've driven mine across country a few times already. I've done most of the trails at Rausch Creek, and a few at Moab.

You’re sounding mighty culty there buddy, do the math!

 

[ShadowsPapa]

You’re sounding mighty culty there buddy, do the math!

I did the math on cost per mile based ONLY on fuel costs - a wash. I caught all of the numbers the diesel owners here were tossing about for their real-world mpg and took that compared to my real-world MPG and came out even.
So the fuel cost stuff is a myth, IMO - you don't save anything on fuel in most cases - sometimes you will, sometimes you won't. So ignore that bit.
You have the costs of oil and filters - more oil, more expensive filters.
You have other maintenance costs that differ.

I have yet to see the benefit of one on the road.
I won't diss or poo-poo those who think they need it or that it's necessary- it's their choice.
But the reality is - I've done just fine with gas vehicles and always reserved my diesel ownership to industrial or ag equipment where it's superior.

No one can tell anyone else what to buy or not buy - it's all going to be opinions unless they come out with hard numbers in a spreadsheet. Other than that, it's those who NEED the torque and power - according to them, anyway, vs. those who meh, don't care, don't need, feel no need to have that feeling.

You must do the work yourself - don't let others sway you -
Diesel owners will say you MUST have a diesel, everything else sucks, and it's a part of being a man (at least some seem to need that)
Gasser owners will poo-poo the diesel as being problematic, cantankerous, noisy and so on - but without actually owning one or comparing ownership costs.

If you are that concerned about power, you are looking at the wrong vehicle.
If you want real torque and HP - wait for the 4xe version of the Gladiator.

There, let the flaming begin

 

[Jefe1018]

I did the math on cost per mile based ONLY on fuel costs - a wash. I caught all of the numbers the diesel owners here were tossing about for their real-world mpg and took that compared to my real-world MPG and came out even.
So the fuel cost stuff is a myth, IMO - you don't save anything on fuel in most cases - sometimes you will, sometimes you won't. So ignore that bit.
You have the costs of oil and filters - more oil, more expensive filters.
You have other maintenance costs that differ.

I have yet to see the benefit of one on the road.
I won't diss or poo-poo those who think they need it or that it's necessary- it's their choice.
But the reality is - I've done just fine with gas vehicles and always reserved my diesel ownership to industrial or ag equipment where it's superior.

No one can tell anyone else what to buy or not buy - it's all going to be opinions unless they come out with hard numbers in a spreadsheet. Other than that, it's those who NEED the torque and power - according to them, anyway, vs. those who meh, don't care, don't need, feel no need to have that feeling.

You must do the work yourself - don't let others sway you -
Diesel owners will say you MUST have a diesel, everything else sucks, and it's a part of being a man (at least some seem to need that)
Gasser owners will poo-poo the diesel as being problematic, cantankerous, noisy and so on - but without actually owning one or comparing ownership costs.

If you are that concerned about power, you are looking at the wrong vehicle.
If you want real torque and HP - wait for the 4xe version of the Gladiator.

There, let the flaming begin

Absolutely, money wise it’s a moot point. Even with the diesel being a $4,000 option, MSRP that is, with today’s discounts it can be had at a bargain.

Beyond the torque, no real need to regear for 37’s, the cool factor, where I find the most benefit is range. On a 160 mile round trip wheeling trip my friends are at 1/8 of a tank or E where I’ve got more than or halfway left. MPG per MPG you won’t save money, but being able to go anywhere between 290-360 gallons vs 190-240 on a tank is a big difference. This diesel sips fuel at idle and in 4lo where as the gasser tends to be a bit thirstier. On the highway, same story. My buddy gets 16 highway and 10 in the city or when wheeling on 38’s and 4.88’s - just is the nature of the beast.

 

[Tim. Y.]

I've had a couple of tanks of diesel where I've been under 24 mpg on my stock Willys, but generally I'm at or above 24.6. Long trips are usually in the 26-28mpg. At 24.6 I'm at nearly 500 miles for a full tank. I try and stop before I get to 1/4 of a tank, which is right around 400 miles when I'm getting 24.6.

Don't get me wrong. I'd prefer to pay less at the pump, and I'd prefer not to pay more for maintenance, but the 3.0 just makes me smile when I hit the gas pedal. I love the longer range. I love the low end torque. Like Brussels Sprouts and Sushi, it's not for everyone.

It's been a phenomenal truck for me so far. Just a ton of smiles per miles. And isn't that what Jeeps are all about?

 

[Vtur]

How many traded in theirs 3.0 for a 3.6? ?

 

[Free2roam]

I've driven both. Had a gasser for 45 days while my Ecodiesel was getting the pump replaced the first time. Just going up over an overpass. The gasser kicks down to 6th gear. The diesel doesn't even flinch off of 8th. I drove both the same way. The diesel is by far a better platform with torque to spare. I wouldn't trade my diesel in for a gasser, but I'd buy a second diesel to have.

 

[fourfa]

I've run the numbers. Me getting 19.4mpg diesel avg long term (my actual 20k+ modded JTRD mileage), no regear, with additional initial / oil / filter / DEF / EDT / etc costs - vs 3.6 + 4Auto + regear at (based on real reports from similarly equipped Jeeps) 12-14 mpg, using local fuel costs and actual long-term consumable costs. [Not including theoretical repair costs over time]. All normalized to consumable USD/mile.

Result is, I save money from day 1. Regear + 4A balances the initial engine cost, so the math is easy. Fuel is way more expensive than the other consumables, and reduced consumption outweighs the local fuel price gap. It's obviously sensitive to exact MPG and fuel cost, but generally to not break even, you'd need to do better than 15mpg long term on gasoline, which would be very atypical with builds similar to mine (heavy + draggy camper, 37s, lots of extra mass).

Skip the regear cost though, and it takes 100k theoretical miles to recoup, or never does, but it's usually quite close. (Could I make do with 4.10s and 37s at near or over GWVR, hm, some do. I kinda doubt I could.)

Who cares about all that though; I wanted off-road range, and torque for heavy loads, and got it. Would I go for the diesel in a stripped out 2dr Wrangler, nah. But it is great gobs of fun in my truck.

 

[Vtur]

I've run the numbers. Me getting 19.4mpg diesel avg long term (my actual 20k+ modded JTRD mileage), no regear, with additional initial / oil / filter / DEF / EDT / etc costs - vs 3.6 + 4Auto + regear at (based on real reports from similarly equipped Jeeps) 12-14 mpg, using local fuel costs and actual long-term consumable costs. [Not including theoretical repair costs over time]. All normalized to consumable USD/mile.

Result is, I save money from day 1. Regear + 4A balances the initial engine cost, so the math is easy. Fuel is way more expensive than the other consumables, and reduced consumption outweighs the local fuel price gap. It's obviously sensitive to exact MPG and fuel cost, but generally to not break even, you'd need to do better than 15mpg long term on gasoline, which would be very atypical with builds similar to mine (heavy + draggy camper, 37s, lots of extra mass).

Skip the regear cost though, and it takes 100k theoretical miles to recoup, or never does, but it's usually quite close. (Could I make do with 4.10s and 37s at near or over GWVR, hm, some do. I kinda doubt I could.)

Who cares about all that though; I wanted off-road range, and torque for heavy loads, and got it. Would I go for the diesel in a stripped out 2dr Wrangler, nah. But it is great gobs of fun in my truck.

Speaking of range. I entered Death Valley starting from Lone Pine through 190, went to the Grandstand and back to Lone Pine on one tank of gas. Technically, i spent a whole day in DV, drove to one of the deepest part of the park and still made it back out on one tank. It's freakin amazing.

 

[Camaroboi13]

I’m 20 months and 33k miles into my ecodiesel. I knew it would cost more than the gasser. It’s a thousand times more refined than the 3.6 is. People want to complain about up front costs, but what is the cost difference between the 8 speed in the gasser and the ZF 8 speed in the diesel? What about the factory steel steering components that are cast aluminum in the gasser? There are way more heavy duty parts in the eco that the gasser doesn’t have, so if you factor all those in you’re probably not paying very much for the actual engine. The diesel just has that fun factor that’s missing from the gasser. They like to be driven, so get out there and drive em.

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