Think Im done with Jeep, guys.

[ZeeJay]

Regardless of the vehicle we own, I think everyone should have a backup vehicle, even if it's a beater. Having some type of transportation is critical for most of us.



I think there's some truth to this advice. I'm not a mechanic, so I've opted to put away money for repairs. With that said, our 2020 Ram EcoDiesel has been flawless since we've owned it. The 2023 Rubicon is still new, so there's not much to say about it yet. So far, it's been flawless. Below is a list of maintenance/repairs for our 2015 EcoDiesel, which is now 9 years old. Keep in mind, this truck is bone stock and lives a hard life (lots of idle time, lots of towing, lots of short commutes, cold weather operation, etc.). So far, the 2015 Ram EcoDiesel has been fairly cheap to maintain thanks to the EcoDiesel 120,000-mile AEM (emissions settlement) warranty.

Date	Mileage	Part Description	Part #	Cost
02/11/21	92,313	Water Pump	68211202AB	Powertrain Warranty
08/10/21	96,304	Front Shocks Rear Shocks	Bilstein 24-187343 4600 series Bilstein 24-187350 4600 series Labor	$204.00 per pair $152.00 per pair $280.00
09/01/21	97,036	Lower Ball Joints	N/A Labor Wheel Alignment	$199.90 $211.46 $119.95
07/20/22	105,715	Driver side CV Axle	Mopar 68028398AC Labor	$381.89 $211.80
08/27/22	106,964	Rear Cab Exhausters	Mopar 68323649AB	$12.44 per pair
10/28/22	109,119	Battery	Odyssey AGM49H8L5	$312.46
09/15/23	113,732	NOx Sensor - upstream NOx Sensor - downstream	Mopar 68250217AB Mopar 68250214AB	AEM Warranty AEM Warranty
09/27/23	114,118	DEF Injector DEF Pump	Mopar 68438682AA Mopar 68232842AD	AEM Warranty AEM Warranty
11/21/23	115,542	EGR Valve Cooler Bushing x 2 EGR Tube Gasket x 2 O-ring x 2	Mopar 68483334AA Mopar 68490221AA Mopar 68211320AA Mopar 68150060AA	AEM Warranty AEM Warranty AEM Warranty AEM Warranty

Oh with Jeeps for sure a back up. But yeah two is one and one is none.
Your repairs…..upstream and downstream NoX and DEF pump/injector very close, somebody chasing something there?

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[Free2roam]

Well don't let us kick rocks on your new windshield quitter. But kick rocks ?

 

[biodiesel]

Your repairs…..upstream and downstream NoX and DEF pump/injector very close, somebody chasing something there?

It was evident that the DEF pump was the issue based off the code I pulled. I even explained to the service advisor that I was 95% sure it was the DEF pump. According to AllData, the only other explanation would have been a cracked DEF line. From there, I'm not sure why the tech replaced the NOx sensors first. The service advisor said the tech has to follow the diagnosis and repair protocols for warranty. ?

 

[ZeeJay]

It was evident that the DEF pump was the issue based off the code I pulled. I even explained to the service advisor that I was 95% sure it was the DEF pump. According to AllData, the only other explanation would have been a cracked DEF line. From there, I'm not sure why the tech replaced the NOx sensors first. The service advisor said the tech has to follow the diagnosis and repair protocols for warranty. ?

NoX drift would be only guess, but don’t know what he was seeing or the requested steps. Up until recently Cummins only had an abnormal update rate fault and a power ckt fault which I’ve never seen that particular one. NoX could have a bias and drift and never know it until too late in some cases. It would trim DEF injection rate up or down based on that drift. As for doing both, smart play on the techs part unless low mileage they should be changed in pairs. Worse case module can’t rationalize what’s happening and oversaturate or just freak, best case it gets conversion efficiency faults and next tech “thinks” the SCR has failed. Me personally believe NoX sensor should treated as a regular maint item just like an O2 in gas engines based on the fact both can and eventually will get lazy.

 

[JamesWyatt]

I was actually considering looking at the trail hunter but the Tacoma's are already showing that heat with the turbos is going to be an issue.. One of the Tacoma beast guys put 35s on his new 24 and said it's struggling and running really high temps. That's not a good sign and turned me off of it.

I'm leaning more towards a full size at this point or if I find a slightly used one at the right price maybe going for a power wagon.

Honestly the Nissan frontier and titan are looking enticing with the way there are built they remind me of the way reliable trucks were built back in the day. There interior and exterior aren't my favorite but they seem like they will be the most trouble free truck on the road in the future with proper maintenance.

Advice from a recovering 2018 Power Wagon owner: don't test drive one because you'll be driving it home. Like the JT/JL, it's one of the few vehicles that are in a class of their own.

 

[biodiesel]

Me personally believe NoX sensor should treated as a regular maint item just like an O2 in gas engines based on the fact both can and eventually will get lazy.

I agree with you 100%. Knowing when to replace them is the hard part. It seems that 60,000-mile maintenance intervals might be appropriate on some applications and 120,000-mile intervals might be more appropriate on other applications. I suppose NOx sensors will last longer under ideal driving conditions, so that factors in, too.

NOx sensors have been hard to source the last 5+ years. I recommend that everyone keep spare sensors on hand. I know a lot of folks, including me, that waited months for backlogged NOx sensors.

 

[Rusty PW]

Advice from a recovering 2018 Power Wagon owner: don't test drive one because you'll be driving it home. Like the JT/JL, it's one of the few vehicles that are in a class of their own.

I miss my 2008 Power Wagon.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

The emissions in Europe is harder than the US.

Which country has the toughest emission standards?

The European Union (EU) and Japan have the most stringent standards in the world. The fuel economy and greenhouse gas emission performance of the U.S. cars and light trucks—both historically and projected based on current policies—lags behind most other nations.

That's a fact, and part of what is guiding Jeep in the powertrain area......... I won't say further for reasons of moderation.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

I have never considered Europe to be part of the 'western' world.

Ask Iran, Russia, and many other countries what is "western nations"
usually it refers to politics and government, but there are also other definitions. To the Middle East, France, UK, Germany and so on are west and lumped in with Canada, USA, and so on.
It's a geo-political thing. Countries generally aligned with each other in certain ways.

 

[ArchEtech]

100% look for another dealer. I don’t see how it’s possible that the turbo wouldn’t be considered part of the rest of the powertrain warranty. The engine can’t function without it. If you lost one gear and the rest were OK would they say well? We only replace it when there’s two gears out. The turbo is not a maintenance item like a clutch. I’m not buying it.

 

[Stuntman Mike]

That's a fact, and part of what is guiding Jeep in the powertrain area......... I won't say further for reasons of moderation.

Well said. And if I would elaborate further on this ...

And yes, I think also that we are part of the western world.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

And yes, I think also that we are part of the western world.

Absolutely - and one reason this part even exists.
It all started over there and moved this direction, not the other way around.

 

[JTGuy]

Looks like we are in for some fun times with the inline 6 cylinder twin turbo.

 

[AmishMike]

A.M.F.

 

[AXISJT]

A.M.F.

Don't know what this means

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