Think Im done with Jeep, guys.

[JamesWyatt]

Are you “done with Jeep guys” or are you “done with Jeep, guys”?

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[RoamingGladiator]

The turbo is 100% covered under the powertrain warranty, it states so in the warranty itself. That service manager does not know what he's talking about.

If they're saying the turbo assembly needs to be replaced, the warranty literally says that turbocharger housing and internal parts is covered. I believe someone else here posted a picture of the actual warranty as well.

 

[Reddog]

I Have had a Jeep since I was 18 I'm 33 now and as much as I love them and the community I think I am finally past that point of dealing with the issues and ready to move on. Since way back with my TJ I have always dealt with constant death wobble problems, tried plenty of different shops, and it was never solved. In 2021 I moved to my gladiator and a year later I was having the same issues, Finally fixed it with a quality lift but it just came back new tires, 2.5-ton steering, and new ball joints etc, always came back after constantly throwing money at it. Now last Saturday I was on the Highway, and the Jeep threw a bunch of electrical warnings and went into limp mode, I was able to counter it by switching into manual mode but it stopped letting me shift as soon as I hit an incline. I made it home and booked a service appointment first thing Monday.

They tell me it throws a code P00AF-00 which has to do with the Turbo assembly so I assume It is under the 100k powertrain warranty and so does my service guy. He calls me back and says it keeps telling him the turbos not covered but he will keep looking into it. He called me back today and said it is because the turbo falls under the federal emissions warranty but not the 80k one they advertise, the 70k warranty that I didn't even know existed so since Im at 72k guess I'm shit out of luck and they say it will cost 5k to fix.

After today I think I'm just done with the issues, I'm not forking over 5k for this. so think I may just go trade the jeep in ASAP for something else, don't know if I'll get in a Steliantis vehicle again at least for a while.

Sorry for the rant. Frustrated about the whole situation just wanted to get it out with folks who delt with the same.

Hope you will reconsider on owning a Jeep but I share your frustration. I suspect most of us do. I have a 2023 JTR and so far no problems except for the occasional "car is not in park, shift to park and then shift to gear" notice. I bought an extended warranty that I knew was undoubtedly going to disappoint me down the road at some point. When JT's cost $60K or more you feel you have to protect yourself in case you work done when a major component fails. But the reality is, the warranty's and their restrictions today are written to give the automakers a way of declining to cover a repair because most are in deep financial trouble. We all know pretty much why they are failing so I wont go further here and get my post slapped again but automakers are in real trouble today and our warranties are no longer our friends. As for your jeep issues, the cost the dealer estimates for the repair can be very much different from the actual cost done by other shops. Look around and find a shop that does good work and consider repairing the vehicle. You can't sell it broken anyway and get your money out of it so look around and just realize vehicle warranties are written to benefit automakers, not buyers.

 

[biodiesel]

As already mentioned, the turbo is covered under the 5 year/100,000-mile powertrain warranty.

Also, the turbos on these engines are actually pretty solid and reliable. That doesn't mean there won't be a few with problems, but I've spent a good amount of time on various EcoDiesel forums and social media groups, and it's extremely rare for someone to have a turbo problem. There are EcoDiesel owners with over 400,000 and 500,000 miles on their factory turbos.

 

[HorneyBadger]

The death wobble issue is concerning as no further info was provided. Is this a 21 with a new steering box? are there aftermarket tires? Anything aftermarket on the frontend prior to doing your lift? I think a little more in-depth description is required. Tire pressure?

 

[RoamingGladiator]

The death wobble issue is concerning as no further info was provided. Is this a 21 with a new steering box? are there aftermarket tires? Anything aftermarket on the frontend prior to doing your lift? I think a little more in-depth description is required. Tire pressure?

Yeup... people with death wobble usually have a few main issues.

1. They bought the cheapest Rough Country lift you can think of and stuffed 37s underneath it and are wondering why it rides like shit
2. There is a failing component (Trackbar bolt wallowing out, bad tires, etc)
3. The alignment shop has no idea what they're doing, or they just didn't get an alignment (Try your best to find a shop that deals with Jeeps/offroad vehicles... even if you need to drive an hour)

Jeep Death Wobble: Explanations & Fixes (extremeterrain.com) - A solid explanation of the causes from most common to least.

PS - If you're having death wobble and you just slap a big ol' steering stab on it, or maybe one of those fancy two-stab ones from Rough Country. Hit me up in a few months when it's back 10x worse. Steering stabilizers are great for minor shimmies, etc from larger tires and lifts. If you are at the point where you're getting actual death wobble... please look into the root cause, don't just cover it up. You will cost yourself a lot more money in the long run.

 

[chorky]

Turbo is located in the middle toward the firewall due to it being a single turbo v6. They didn't engineered with the home mechanic in mind, cab comes off.

I can't imagine having to take the cab off on some of these vehicles with all the aftermarket accessories. You know wires going everywhere, cable for a CB or GMRS radio - I doubt anybody with any of that added in some type of electrical connector for quick release in case the cab gets pulled. Man that would be a major situation.

 

[Slojo]

I know the service guys at my dealership have been getting a lot of stuff denied over the past few months and were frustrated. My tech kept pushing them and they finally relented. He said it was BS and they all knew it was a warranty item. The 3rd submission he told them to send a representative to the dealership. That was on an extended warranty on my Wrangler but sounds like the same run-around.

 

[ajkaz]

I was at a similar point of frustration, not turbo related, but dealer experience along with so many issues with the truck that drove me crazy. They had my truck a total of 7 months in 2 years... Had to take a rental van on a Moab trip, 2 transmission seals, 1 transmission, back glass ((which they busted into my truck leaving glass everywhere and said it was normal.) I pulled up a small shop vac full of glass and was still finding glass a year later), upper oil pan oil leak (very sloppy RTV job), then lower oil pan leak (another very sloppy RTV job). Thankfully I had the Mopar premium care warranty, it covered a rental where the dealer refused, I had total rental car bills of $9k while they had my truck for weeks and months at a time, Mopar premium care reimbursed me for all of it. My issues started at 1700 miles.

That was my 6th Jeep and my last for quite a while. Will likely pickup a JK in 10 years to work on with my son, to teach him and to run the Rubicon.

Lemon'd the JTRD, went through quick and easy. Got this & couldn't be happier. Its a bit bigger, but its an incredible machine. I'm sure it will have its own issues, time will tell.

 

[ZeeJay]

Struggling to grasp being done with Jeeps over death wobble, it’s a thing and always has been. Pain in the ass but still a thing just have to work through it.
For the turbo, welcome to a diesel engine. Great when they run and run right until the sticker shock from a single failed component. Todays diesel’s aren’t an if it’s a when.
For the new Jeeps…..yeah just over engineered junk. That’s not just Jeep, that’s all of them. Toyota Tacoma today isn’t the old SR5 of yesteryear with the bullet proof 22R, Nissan Frontier isn’t the old Hardbody, I could on for hours. Huge difference between a TJ and a JT. TJ was simple and worry free. I’m in a very similar boat with mine with a 3.6 that’s has 8200 miles on it. Top end is bad, I know it’s bad. Been to 3 different dealers and all 3 dealers we can’t find anything wrong….the last dealer I told SM it’s coming apart or will soon or this literally is the biggest pile of shit gas engine ever made.

 

[Vtur]

Hope you will reconsider on owning a Jeep but I share your frustration. I suspect most of us do. I have a 2023 JTR and so far no problems except for the occasional "car is not in park, shift to park and then shift to gear" notice. I bought an extended warranty that I knew was undoubtedly going to disappoint me down the road at some point. When JT's cost $60K or more you feel you have to protect yourself in case you work done when a major component fails. But the reality is, the warranty's and their restrictions today are written to give the automakers a way of declining to cover a repair because most are in deep financial trouble. We all know pretty much why they are failing so I wont go further here and get my post slapped again but automakers are in real trouble today and our warranties are no longer our friends. As for your jeep issues, the cost the dealer estimates for the repair can be very much different from the actual cost done by other shops. Look around and find a shop that does good work and consider repairing the vehicle. You can't sell it broken anyway and get your money out of it so look around and just realize vehicle warranties are written to benefit automakers, not buyers.

Agreed 100% with what you've said. I think owning any kind of toys these day, it's best to learn how to wrench or close to someone who does. Imo it's the only way to have things done right. Majority techs are just parts changers. In my field, we call them installers. The effort and the know how to troubleshoot things are rare.

 

[AXISJT]

Yeup... people with death wobble usually have a few main issues.

1. They bought the cheapest Rough Country lift you can think of and stuffed 37s underneath it and are wondering why it rides like shit
2. There is a failing component (Trackbar bolt wallowing out, bad tires, etc)
3. The alignment shop has no idea what they're doing, or they just didn't get an alignment (Try your best to find a shop that deals with Jeeps/offroad vehicles... even if you need to drive an hour)

Jeep Death Wobble: Explanations & Fixes (extremeterrain.com) - A solid explanation of the causes from most common to least.

PS - If you're having death wobble and you just slap a big ol' steering stab on it, or maybe one of those fancy two-stab ones from Rough Country. Hit me up in a few months when it's back 10x worse. Steering stabilizers are great for minor shimmies, etc from larger tires and lifts. If you are at the point where you're getting actual death wobble... please look into the root cause, don't just cover it up. You will cost yourself a lot more money in the long run.

Yea thats not what happened or what I have done at all. Death wobble started happened when the truck was completely stock. I installed a not-cheap full clayton lift done by a reputable shop. It was good for about 6 months and it came back.

I didn't just slap a stabilizer on I purchased new tires I had a full cavfab 2.5-ton steering installed with a new stabilizer and bracket. new ball joints, alignment etc all that was done by Outlaw in Nashville which is a great shop. They got it to finally stop going into a full wobble but there are constant shakes which means eventually it will wobble again. They helped me out a lot but I just couldn't keep spending money for them to keep replacing things.

 

[AXISJT]

your advisor is wrong.
Out of curiosity what oil have you been running and do you allow for cool down before shut off?

I use pennzoil platinum full synthetic I also put full additive in every tank. typically I allow for cool down

 

[AXISJT]

The turbo is 100% covered under the powertrain warranty, it states so in the warranty itself. That service manager does not know what he's talking about.

If they're saying the turbo assembly needs to be replaced, the warranty literally says that turbocharger housing and internal parts are covered. I believe someone else here posted a picture of the actual warranty as well.

It wasn't the service Manager, he thought it would be covered but every time he was trying to submit a work order he was getting a kickback saying not covered, so he brought it to his Service Director, and then they brought it to Mopar who explained that bullshit emissions warranty thing. Even after that, he said he tried to put the work order in under a "Good Will" clause but the cost of the work order was to much.

This is all at Gupton Motors in Springfield TN which is a fairly well-known dealership on this Forum.

So after that point, he said all he could do was give me the number to the Jeep cares and I could try and hash it out with them.

I picked the truck up this morning and it drives ok as of now with no check engine light. So figure instead of going through a war with them to actually take care of it then wait however long it would take to get fixed I'll clean it up and trade it in somewhere.

 

[AXISJT]

I was at a similar point of frustration, not turbo related, but dealer experience along with so many issues with the truck that drove me crazy. They had my truck a total of 7 months in 2 years... Had to take a rental van on a Moab trip, 2 transmission seals, 1 transmission, back glass ((which they busted into my truck leaving glass everywhere and said it was normal.) I pulled up a small shop vac full of glass and was still finding glass a year later), upper oil pan oil leak (very sloppy RTV job), then lower oil pan leak (another very sloppy RTV job). Thankfully I had the Mopar premium care warranty, it covered a rental where the dealer refused, I had total rental car bills of $9k while they had my truck for weeks and months at a time, Mopar premium care reimbursed me for all of it. My issues started at 1700 miles.

That was my 6th Jeep and my last for quite a while. Will likely pickup a JK in 10 years to work on with my son, to teach him and to run the Rubicon.

Lemon'd the JTRD, went through quick and easy. Got this & couldn't be happier. Its a bit bigger, but its an incredible machine. I'm sure it will have its own issues, time will tell.

I would love to do this but Raptor is a little out of my Price range lol

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