lrtexasman
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I've been cross shopping (more like cross-surfing) the JT Diesel, 2019 Ram Diesel, 2019 Silverado straight 6 turbo diesel (only American made 1/2 ton/mid-size diesel) , and the F150 with the Duramax. I did not consider the Titan XD diesel, as it is not economical and only on the XD frame, nor the Colorado/Canyon twins 4 cyl diesel (made in Thailand and assembled in Mexico).
Based on what I have seen so far, I believe none of the big 3 intend for the diesel to be a true mainstream offering. The Big 3 are packaging diesels into certain trim levels with heavy premiums. I fear Jeep will do the same with the JT. I get the 3.0 Turbo diesel motors are somewhat more expensive to manufacture than a naturally aspirated V6, based on the ignition system and limited production numbers, but they are commonly standard offerings in South American, Europe, and Australia, which leads me to believe the additional costs should be somewhat reasonable, perhaps 1k more to manufacture. The Ranger sold overseas has had a diesel as the standard option for years and continues even as the US Ranger will roll out with a Turbo 4 gas motor. Perhaps the manufactures don't feel they have enough mechanics or have invested too heavily in the turbo 4 cyl gas motors for the US market. It's clear, we just aren't going to get what we want without paying a major premium (which conveniently negates the fuel savings for most consumers). GM and Ford are pushing smaller turbos (4cy standard in LT/RST/Elevation trims, 2.7 standard on F150), and up-charging for V8s and diesel. The F150 requires the Lariat and above trim package (unless Fleet buyer) to order a diesel. Ford is reportedly expecting the Powerstroke in the F150 to only make up 5% of F150 sales. Ram hasn't firmed up a 2019/2020 diesel release yet and doesn't appear to be inclined to do so, and GMC is only offering the diesel in the SLT/Denali trim. Chevrolet will be the only manufacture offering the diesel in a mid-level trim (LT) until the Ram finally rolls out.
The whole process of waiting for a diesel in a 1/2 ton or mid-size truck that actually comfortably fit 4 adults has become anti-climatic to say the least. The F150 diesel is putting out incredible fuel economy/towing/payload numbers and clearly would be a big seller with only a 2k premium if available in all trims. However, to get the Powerstroke it's really a 9k premium over an XLT (mid-trim). GM is rolling the 2019s out but no word on when the diesel will be released or what the numbers are. Frankly, I'll be stunned if the JT diesel is available at roll out. It's clear all three manufactures could put out diesel options in the 2k to 3k range if they were committed to doing so., but they do not seem inclined to do so.
Based on what I have seen so far, I believe none of the big 3 intend for the diesel to be a true mainstream offering. The Big 3 are packaging diesels into certain trim levels with heavy premiums. I fear Jeep will do the same with the JT. I get the 3.0 Turbo diesel motors are somewhat more expensive to manufacture than a naturally aspirated V6, based on the ignition system and limited production numbers, but they are commonly standard offerings in South American, Europe, and Australia, which leads me to believe the additional costs should be somewhat reasonable, perhaps 1k more to manufacture. The Ranger sold overseas has had a diesel as the standard option for years and continues even as the US Ranger will roll out with a Turbo 4 gas motor. Perhaps the manufactures don't feel they have enough mechanics or have invested too heavily in the turbo 4 cyl gas motors for the US market. It's clear, we just aren't going to get what we want without paying a major premium (which conveniently negates the fuel savings for most consumers). GM and Ford are pushing smaller turbos (4cy standard in LT/RST/Elevation trims, 2.7 standard on F150), and up-charging for V8s and diesel. The F150 requires the Lariat and above trim package (unless Fleet buyer) to order a diesel. Ford is reportedly expecting the Powerstroke in the F150 to only make up 5% of F150 sales. Ram hasn't firmed up a 2019/2020 diesel release yet and doesn't appear to be inclined to do so, and GMC is only offering the diesel in the SLT/Denali trim. Chevrolet will be the only manufacture offering the diesel in a mid-level trim (LT) until the Ram finally rolls out.
The whole process of waiting for a diesel in a 1/2 ton or mid-size truck that actually comfortably fit 4 adults has become anti-climatic to say the least. The F150 diesel is putting out incredible fuel economy/towing/payload numbers and clearly would be a big seller with only a 2k premium if available in all trims. However, to get the Powerstroke it's really a 9k premium over an XLT (mid-trim). GM is rolling the 2019s out but no word on when the diesel will be released or what the numbers are. Frankly, I'll be stunned if the JT diesel is available at roll out. It's clear all three manufactures could put out diesel options in the 2k to 3k range if they were committed to doing so., but they do not seem inclined to do so.
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