Alignment issue after lift

[sirsvaylance]

I have a 2020 Jeep Gladiator Rubicon that I recently lifted with a Mopar 2 inch lift (fox), a fox 2.0 steering stabilizer and front and rear track bars by Metal Cloak and 37 inch tires.

The alignment shop is telling me that I need front camber adjusting sleeves to get my camber back to spec.

The Jeep does pull to the right slightly.

Is this something that I need to do, or is it something else? I've attached the alignment specs.

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[kevman65]

You already have camber sleeves, on the upper ball joint on each side.

Let me go a little deeper than that. Each sleeve has a flat side, it should be facing OUT and AWAY from the engine. Said sleeves should have about an 1/8" gap from the shoulder to the bottom of the C.

 

[sirsvaylance]

You already have camber sleeves, on the upper ball joint on each side.

Let me go a little deeper than that. Each sleeve has a flat side, it should be facing OUT and AWAY from the engine. Said sleeves should have about an 1/8" gap from the shoulder to the bottom of the C.

So you're saying that I don't need the adjustable ones to get the camber back to spec?

 

[kevman65]

I'm saying check to see if your camber sleeves are installed in the fashion I described.

If you need new camber sleeves, you need new ball joints. The whole job will be expensive just because it's time consuming.

 

[Lunentucker]

What's your mileage?
Is everything otherwise still stock and original?
Did they install the longer control arms as part of the lift?

 

[kevman65]

What's your mileage?
Is everything otherwise still stock and original?
Did they install the longer control arms as part of the lift?

It's a `20 like mine. One of my camber sleeves isn't clocked correctly. The driver side tire has a nice lean in at the top.

When I decide to do the ball joints I will correct the situation.

 

[sirsvaylance]

What's your mileage?
Is everything otherwise still stock and original?
Did they install the longer control arms as part of the lift?

51k miles. It came with new lower control arms. Everything else is stock except for what I mentioned above and the wheels. Shop said ball joints were fine

 

[Minty JL]

What's your mileage?
Is everything otherwise still stock and original?
Did they install the longer control arms as part of the lift?

The LCAs compensate for the caster not camber

 

[Lunentucker]

51k miles. It came with new lower control arms. Everything else is stock except for what I mentioned above and the wheels. Shop said ball joints were fine

I suspect you have some slop somewhere in the mix.
Low caster will likely amplify any tendencies to drift to one side or the other, due to road crown, camber variances, etc.
+6-6.5 drives great.
Do you have the steel steering gearbox. The 2020's all came with aluminum, and they were junk from the factory.

Clips from the service manual regarding alignment.

 

[sirsvaylance]

I suspect you have some slop somewhere in the mix.
Low caster will likely amplify any tendencies to drift to one side or the other, due to road crown, camber variances, etc.
+6-6.5 drives great.
Do you have the steel steering gearbox. The 2020's all came with aluminum, and they were junk from the factory.

Clips from the service manual regarding alignment.

I do have the aluminum steering box. Also can you elaborate on slop? Sorry this is new to me and want to make sure I understand.

 

[JTGuy]

I have the Mopar 2 inch lift with 37s. I have about 6 deg caster with very little toe in. IMO,,, add some caster and a tiny bit of toe. Rotate the tires and check the PSI. The aluminum steer box should be replaced with a recall if you complain about it. A lift and larger tires like more caster.

 

[Lunentucker]

I do have the aluminum steering box. Also can you elaborate on slop? Sorry this is new to me and want to make sure I understand.

I'm talking about anywhere in the steering and alignment system that can develop play, either due to wear or loose bolts and nuts, and lead to poor handling, drift, wander, shimmies, and even death wobble.

As you can see, camber is not adjustable, and there was really no reason for the camber sleeves to have been changed in a lift installation. So look at what's new and what's changed, and how it may have made a small problem into a bigger problem.

First and foremost, you need to go through everything for wear and proper torque, from the steering gearbox bolts to the wheel bearings.
You can't make it drive better if something is loose or worn out.

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[Lunentucker]

I have the Mopar 2 inch lift with 37s. I have about 6 deg caster with very little toe in. IMO,,, add some caster and a tiny bit of toe. Rotate the tires and check the PSI. The aluminum steer box should be replaced with a recall if you complain about it. A lift and larger tires like more caster.

Brackets or adjustable arms?

 

[CrazyCooter]

Most JL/JT's come with a .25° camber bushing installed from the factory installed to increase camber.....If that is the case with your truck, you could install a 1.0° to get the left camber slightly higher than the right, but why is it low in the first place?

Camber will have a small effect on a pull, but it's mostly in your caster being offset .5° to the right. Keep in mind increasing overall caster like most here will advise you to do will also make that pull to the right even worse.......An increase in overall caster will "Amplify" the caster offset pull. I actually prefer my caster in the 3.75-4.25° range contrary to popular parroting on the forums.

I'd be interested in the SAI, KPI, and included angles to verify if something is actually bent or machined off from the factory.

 

[JTGuy]

IMO, you don't need brackets till you go above 3 inch lift. I like the Synergy adjustable control arms as the adjust easily . I deal with Poly Performance as they really know Synergy products.
I have all 4 rear control arms in Synergy to correct my rear pinion angle. The factory front lower control arm in the Mopar 2 inch lift gave me 6 deg caster so I am just using that one.

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