If you were in Jeep Management, what changes would you make to the Gladiator?

[BillyP]

Have you had an opportunity to drive the 3.0 diesel? As a guy that's had both several of each there's no comparison the 3.0 is a monster compared to the 3.6 in my opinion it has no lack for power like the 3.6 I do think a gear option in the diesel goes along way 4.10 would be an improvement for sure

I test drove the 3.0 diesel. Yes, I could feel the torque was better than the 3.6. The diesel is definitely a better option than the 3.6 for sure. Unfortunately they didn’t make a Mojave with the diesel. The ride and handling is what sold me on the Mojave. I test drove both at the same dealership. There was a night and day difference in the driving feel between the two. I can only imagine how much 4.10’s would do for the diesel. I love the Mojave, just want more power.

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[Koolcarguy]

It sounds like our Jeep ownership has been similar over the years, both in number and type of Jeeps. We also own a Challenger. It doesn't get driven much, it is a 2019 and just turned over 7,000 miles. Just yesterday my wife and I did a 120-mile drive to do some shopping in a bigger town, and I said, "let's take the Challenger". Boy does that drive nice on the highway, it was a great trip.

You live in Colorado; I live in southwest Utah. I'll bet we would have lots to talk about. Meet up in Moab for some wheeling someday? I'll be there next weekend for a Trail of the Month ride with the Red Rock 4-Wheelers, plus another couple of trails for Presidents Day weekend. Everyone knows Presidents Day is the first trip to Moab each year.

I actually live in Wyoming now still own a ranch down there but couldn't live with the politics in Colorado anymore. Sold my dealership there last year will sell the ranch in the spring. I love my Jeeps hace been a Jeep owner since 86 in High school dad always had a Jeep. Would love to meet up and do some wheeling. I currently have 4 Challengers have a Hellcat, Demon and a Scat pack also have my 22k mile 14 R/T plum crazy purple I love Challengers to lol when your in the car business 35 years you become a car collector or atleast I did lol

I test drove the 3.0 diesel. Yes, I could feel the torque was better than the 3.6. The diesel is definitely a better option than the 3.6 for sure. Unfortunately they didn’t make a Mojave with the diesel. The ride and handling is what sold me on the Mojave. I test drove both at the same dealership. There was a night and day difference in the driving feel between the two. I can only imagine how much 4.10’s would do for the diesel. I love the Mojave, just want more power.

I have never driven the Mojave my son put a 4.63 gear in his Jtrd and loves it the diesel is awesome I wish they'd bring it back in all models

 

[Greg_L]

Search Labs | AI Overview

Generally, an inline engine, particularly an inline-six, is often considered to produce better torque at lower RPMs compared to a V engine due to its inherent design advantages like smoother power delivery and better balance, making it a preferred choice when prioritizing torque production.

Key points about inline engines and torque:

• Balanced design:
  Inline engines, especially inline-sixes, have a naturally balanced design which minimizes vibrations and contributes to smooth power delivery, leading to better torque production.
  
  
• Firing order:
  The consistent firing order in an inline engine provides a more even torque curve, while a V engine can experience slight torque fluctuations due to its angled cylinder arrangement.
  
  
• Crankshaft length:
  Inline engines usually have a longer crankshaft compared to V engines, which can contribute to better torque delivery.

However, it's important to note that:

• Engine specifics matter:
  While inline engines generally have a torque advantage, the specific design and engineering of both the inline and V engine will significantly impact the final torque output.
• Modern technology:
  With advanced engine technology, the gap between inline and V engines in terms of torque can be minimized.

Absolute horseshit. How many engines has your AI bot built and dyno'd? Because I've done a bunch.

Inline engines do not inherently make better torque than a V or horizontal engine. They. Do. Not.

You may find a 4.0l inline engine making better torque than a 4.0l V, but it won't be because it's an inline design. It will be because of other factors.

Also....horsepower is a measurement based off of torque. Racing engines rely on torque + RPM to make power. So torque being made high in the RPM range is important to make big power. Down low torque is less important, but we do still need torque. It's a critical factor in the horsepower measurement and engine builders know this, so why aren't the highest horsepower engines out there using inline designs? They're all Vs. Vs make a better package.

The absolute most important factor to engine torque is one simple thing - size. There is no replacement for displacement if torque is the goal.

 

[MrT]

Banks tuner on the ecodiesel gave it over 500ft lb of torque. I averaged 23 mpg running 37's. It was almost perfect until you got to the cp4

 

[Sweetums]

I've started looking at their instrumentation so I can watch my exhaust temps, it bugs me that Jeep didn't give us a digital readout for that somewhere on the variable displays. Then I started looking at the tuners and pedal monster - I'm not sure I really need it though.

I gotta say I was surprised they did away with the diesel. I had one and was very impressed with the torque and overall engine performance.

There were problems cramming that much into the smaller engine bay of the Gladiator; if they went with a retro J10 styling update it would open up the engine bay with room over the fenders for electrical and reservoirs, making it easier to cool the engine.

 

[Mr._Bill]

These threads always turn into a long list of 'what I want' on my Jeep. If you were a part of Jeep management, you would be doing what they are now. They are trying to keep production costs as low as possible while selling as many vehicles as possible to the buying public. That usually means limited configuration options, especially after the first few years when they see what is being bought and ordered and the combinations that sell the most.

I would really like a V8, but it is not necessary for the way I use my truck. I do insist on all the bells and whistles being installed. I do a lot of highway driving and want all the comfort and convenience possible.

 

[4x4 Mule]

How about an option for bigger, folding tow mirrors.

 

[Cape taco12]

I didn’t read all the other pages so my post here may be a duplicate. Thinking about achievable and legit factory sensible goals from a non-industry standpoint. As much as I want 1000hp and 40s I wouldn’t be able afford that kit…

1. mirrors or a factory relocation kit that works with the doors off and soft doors on.

2. Factory door option with the removable top and the center piece like the best top core door as long as they are not total pieces of shit.

3. Make the interior trim pieces out of something sturdier than a a reese’s wrapper. WTF my b-pillar pieces are all warped and gapped like the Grand canyon. Shit falls out at highway speed. Maybe throw in Billet handles for the hardtop panels on higher trims?

4. Throw some surprise lifestyle features into the dead space on the bed if practical. Couple rod holders mid bed side, bottle opener inside tailgate or something along the lines.

5. Hidden Easter egg that’s practical. Idk glue a magnetic piece on certain parts of the tailgate so I can slap a bumper magnet on. Or maybe a cup holder off the transmission so the techs can enjoy a soda while wrenching.

 

[brsnow2585]

I have grown to really like the 392 off road, to the point that it has become my favorite Jeep powertrain for off road use. I've never had a diesel Jeep, but I like the 392 better than the 2.0 or 3.6, which are better than the 3.8 was. The 4.0 was good offroad but fell on its face on the highway. The 4.2 was nothing to brag about. And so on ...

You have to learn to drive a 392 though, because it is different than other Jeeps. I've done the Rubicon, the tougher trails in Moab, and a lot of other trails, and I figured out that in the most difficult and technical terrain that I can just put it in 4 LO and let it idle through most terrain. If I want to go faster, I use the paddle shifter to shift up, and if I want to go slower, I use the paddle shifter to slow down. A 392 makes 75% of its peak torque when it is idling, so about 350 ft. lbs at idle. The 3.6 in a Gladiator makes 150 ft lbs at idle. If I get into a place where I need more than a touch of the throttle, I drive with both feet, one on gas and one on the brake, and it is very easy to control.

Now they just need to put a 392 XR package in a Gladiator, with 4.56 gears and 35s as standard equipment. If they do, our Gladiator Mojave gets traded in the first day it is available.

The diesel is the same way, I haven't done anything as extreme as Moab but it acts the same way you said, let it crawl, even on the road I can drive my diesel with my little toe on the pedal.

 

[Volt0]

1) do something to encourage dealerships to provide better support for customers ( longer warranty, better qa on repairs, parts with lower markup, … ); in other words, make ownership less of a financial burden

2) find a way for dealerships to be less incentivised to sell the most expensive rigs they can finance, and more incentivised to sell sheer numbers.

3)address the factories; treat your staff well, automate where it makes sense. Trim corporate upper management costs.

 

[Cwg33]

Stop treating all buyers like this is their first truck. Shopping for Jeeps is like flying spirit airlines. Oh, you want the only Tranny we offer, well that’s $2500. Why don’t you step up to our powerful 3.6 and pretty stickers or save money with that same 3.6 sans stickers? The 3.6 should be table stakes for the heavy Gladi, then move up to 3.0 or 5.7 or ??. Current power offering is pathetic, and sales reflect it.

 

[brsnow2585]

Have you had an opportunity to drive the 3.0 diesel? As a guy that's had both several of each there's no comparison the 3.0 is a monster compared to the 3.6 in my opinion it has no lack for power like the 3.6 I do think a gear option in the diesel goes along way 4.10 would be an improvement for sure

It's night and day, I'd driven the 3.6 gladiator a couple times and it just always seemed kinda pokey, went to the dealer that had a diesel on the lot to test drive, they sold it an hour before I got there but they had a diesel Wrangler that one of their shop guys just traded that they let me test..... Long story short, papers were signed, orders were made, about 6 weeks later(surprisingly) 22 JT Rubicon diesel. They were telling months of lead time back then

 

[Koolcarguy]

Absolute horseshit. How many engines has your AI bot built and dyno'd? Because I've done a bunch.

Inline engines do not inherently make better torque than a V or horizontal engine. They. Do. Not.

You may find a 4.0l inline engine making better torque than a 4.0l V, but it won't be because it's an inline design. It will be because of other factors.

Also....horsepower is a measurement based off of torque. Racing engines rely on torque + RPM to make power. So torque being a critical factor in the horsepower measurement and engine builders know this, why aren't the highest horsepower engines out there using inline designs? They're all Vs. Vs make a better package.

It's night and day, I'd driven the 3.6 gladiator a couple times and it just always seemed kinda pokey, went to the dealer that had a diesel on the lot to test drive, they sold it an hour before I got there but they had a diesel Wrangler that one of their shop guys just traded that they let me test..... Long story short, papers were signed, orders were made, about 6 weeks later(surprisingly) 22 JT Rubicon diesel. They were telling months of lead time back then

I loved mine so much I bought a spare diesel Gladiator and the wife and new Jlurd just about to have my Jk diesel conversion done finally got most the parts together hopefully going to shop next week to do the conversion!!

 

[brsnow2585]

I test drove the 3.0 diesel. Yes, I could feel the torque was better than the 3.6. The diesel is definitely a better option than the 3.6 for sure. Unfortunately they didn’t make a Mojave with the diesel. The ride and handling is what sold me on the Mojave. I test drove both at the same dealership. There was a night and day difference in the driving feel between the two. I can only imagine how much 4.10’s would do for the diesel. I love the Mojave, just want more power.

They'd have to change the suspension in the Mojave to accommodate the diesel, I think that's why they didn't offer it. The diesel and transmission change is about an extra 1000lb over the 3.6. Mojave is a dune running suspension, soft to the touch not great for weight (no offense intended), look at the Rubicon number between gas and diesel, that 1000lbs gets taken off the tow rating

 

[Koolcarguy]

They'd have to change the suspension in the Mojave to accommodate the diesel, I think that's why they didn't offer it. The diesel and transmission change is about an extra 1000lb over the 3.6. Mojave is a dune running suspension, soft to the touch not great for weight (no offense intended), look at the Rubicon number between gas and diesel, that 1000lbs gets taken off the tow rating
Makes sense the extra weight only issue we've had and we have 4 diesels was heating up when towing but with a cooling system upgrade and a gear swap all is well.

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