V8’s On The Horizon……..(?)

[ShadowsPapa]

https://carbuzz.com/beloved-engines-killed-by-stellantis/

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[ShadowsPapa]

The guys name was Wally Booth. Not Frank. Sorry.

A 304 build being done by Alfano Performance -

 

[Swisskidd]

A 304 build being done by Alfano Performance -

This reminds me of the Chevy 396/402 BB where the factory relieved the bore for valve clearance. It still wasn't as efficient as the same head on a bigger bore due to valve shrouding (?) But every application is different.........

 

[Jrgunn5150]

Yep, none of these say 5.7 still

 

[Janster]

maybe Stellantis should start to think deeper about the psychology of trying to attract younger buyers. Each time I go to my dealer, I find I’m toe-tapping to a playlist clearly aimed at 60+ year olds which must act like the Mosquito Alarm on those potential younger buyers. maybe that interweb thingy can help

I’d be afraid of those younger buyers (those who are glued to their phones) changing the historic Jeep routes….. (no offense). I dunno…… it feels like the younger generations aren’t adventurous enough to want a Wrangler and/or don’t want or need a truck. That’s where the ‘Compass’ comes in…..

I’m sure we can all agree…. We don’t need or want another COMPASS …. We don’t want our Wranglers or JT’s to be degraded or wussified.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Yep, none of these say 5.7 still

...but ...but...we want it and that makes so.

 

[ChrisNLA]

If you know how racing works - for certain races, a company has to sell a number of units to the general public. So if they want to race with a certain engine, it has to be available for sale to the public in so many numbers.
It's not that way for ALL races, but for many, if it's not sold as an option to the public, it can't be raced in certain races.
So, there's that..............
OTOH........
NASCAR is quite different in that they limit the types of engines and CID. Chrysler was banned for years and is getting back into it now after being banned and their financial troubles.
I'd not read anything into that video - it's racing oriented. It doesn't mean anything for the Jeep.
it's NASCAR truck series.

My favorite part about Ram's return to NASCAR, and them making a big deal about the Hemi, is that the Craftsman truck series only runs one engine - it's made by Ilmor and is based off the Chevrolet LS. Doesn't matter if its Chevy, Ford, Toyota...or now Ram, they all have to run the spec Ilmor ('Chevrolet') engine.

Now, if Stellantis returns Dodge to Cup series - they'll have to come up with something. TRD handles the Toyota engines, Roush-Yates for the Ford, and Hendrick or ECR for the Chevrolet, and each brand is actually a 'unique' design to fit the NASCAR specs.

 

[JTdiRtyD]

I’d be afraid of those younger buyers (those who are glued to their phones) changing the historic Jeep routes….. (no offense). I dunno…… it feels like the younger generations aren’t adventurous enough to want a Wrangler and/or don’t want or need a truck. That’s where the ‘Compass’ comes in…..

This is exactly it, the performance crowd and/or off road crowd make up a very small percentage of todays market, and an even smaller percentage of tomorrows market. Millennials weren't as interested in these things as GenX was, GenZ is even less interested than millennials and so forth. They aren't designing new vehicles for past generations, they design for current and future generations, and the current market majority wants efficiency. Sure, brands will continue to offer a line for these smaller and older markets while it continues to make some money, but we are going to continue to see them get smaller and smaller.

Do I think a V8 in a Gladi would be fun? Yes, but only in a toy vehicle. No way in hell am I paying premium prices for a daily thats going to double the already high fuel costs.

 

[Toothgnasher]

Didn’t know the LS generations are still called SBC. My daily work world ends by 1967.

To my understanding, the general un-reliability of the newer LS engines is pretty much narrowed down to the AFM, just like the Hemi MDS issues. Both engine families offer variants without it. So these issues can be resolved with basic parts swap and programming.

I think if the same would be the case for the 3.6, we’d hear less griping about its marginal output, unfriendly torque power band. And more would defend it by acknowledging that it’ll ’last forever’.
Coming from a 2Door JL, I certainly notice that the engine labors harder to keep the JT at speed, than in my previous Jeep (The extra weight has a notable impact.)

I think the engine design / reliability curve has peaked around 15 years ago. The OEM’s need to find their way back to that standard.

The Pentastar engines are pretty reliable, except for the small percentage that chew up the cams, and the ones where the grease monkey torqued the oil filter on at 80 ft-lbs. Millions of mills are on the road, through all the generations, and at best, I suspect we are talking low thousands with all the known failure methods.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

I’d be afraid of those younger buyers (those who are glued to their phones) changing the historic Jeep routes….. (no offense). I dunno…… it feels like the younger generations aren’t adventurous enough to want a Wrangler and/or don’t want or need a truck. That’s where the ‘Compass’ comes in…..

I’m sure we can all agree…. We don’t need or want another COMPASS …. We don’t want our Wranglers or JT’s to be degraded or wussified.

Did you know the flip phone is back?
Demanded by the next generation

 

[Hootbro]

Did you know the flip phone is back?
Demanded by the next generation

I think every generation goes through some type of retroism fad. Not so much they find it better but just different than what they are currently use too.

 

[BillyP]

I looked up the 2024 ram 1500 gas mileage. This is straight ICE. This is the new body style not the classic.

The average it gets with the 3.6 with 4wd is 21 mpg.
The average it gets with the 5.7 with 4wd is 19 mpg.
The best overall is the 3.6, 2wd hybrid with 23 mpg.
The worst the 5.7 makes is 17 mpg average in the classic body style.
The TRX is by far the worst with 12 mpg on average. Of course that is the supercharged 6.2 in the TRX.

The 3.6 uses regular fuel, the 5.7 uses midgrade fuel.
The total cost difference between the best 3.6 hybrid to the worst 5.7 (classic) is $1,200 a year.
With the same body style and 4wd the difference is even closer than I thought it would be, $700 a year.
This info is from fueleconomy.gov

This does make me ponder.
Due to the Gladiator having the aerodynamics of a brick (it’s also heavy for its size), it brings up the age old question.
Would the 5.7 not having to work as hard as the 3.6 bring the fuel mileage and yearly cost even closer? Especially when you take into account the oversized tires, and all of the other goodies we add.

 

[legacy_etu]

Yep, none of these say 5.7 still

What's all that orange stuff?

 

[Swisskidd]

The Pentastar engines are pretty reliable, except for the percentage that chew up the cams, and the ones where the grease monkey torqued the oil filter on at 80 80 ft-lbs. Millions of mills are on the road, through all the generations, and at best, I suspect we are talking low thousands with all the known failure methods.

Generally agree; forums are a minuscule sample. Yet it seems the issue is bigger when considering it’s across the board with the 3.6 (Rams, Promaster, Pacifica, Jeep….). The percentage of recorded issues is now big enough that Stellanits has released a TSB in April 2025.

And, YES, my experiences for a combined 175k miles over 3 PUG 3.6 has been trouble free. Our 2013 3.6 (first gen) is at 160k miles. No start up noises, no ticks and still has the original oil filter housing (probably jinxing it now by mentioning it here )…….

 

[Swisskidd]

What's all that orange stuff?

Jumper Cables

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