2026 Jeep JT Hybrid

[Zachanadandy]

If the 4xe version of our JT's came with the hurricane mated to a hybrid engine, I'd be all onboard for that.

The fact is, I'm perfectly ok with 'Hybrid' vehicles, so long as there's another fuel option too... Gas or Diesel.. doesn't matter to me. Because, I can find those stations on the side of the road, usually within 30-50 miles or less. But, finding an EV charging station, isn't really an option in rural areas.

Also, being that my office is in St Louis, even a major metro area like that... someone sneezes too hard, and the electric grid goes sideways.

Storms, Natural Disasters, long trips... I can't rely on a full EV to operate in those conditions.. so yeah.. dual fuel systems are the way to go, imho.


But, the JT on the 2.0.. enngh...think I'll pass. (with or without the hybrid functionality)

Show me the modern gas pump that still operates when powers out? We had to wait over an hour at the gas station in July when a monsoon dropped power lines and we didn't have enough fuel to make it 60 miles up the road to the next stations (and couldn't be certain they had power anyway). If you don't have power you aren't getting gas anymore either. The stations weren't even letting people in to buy anything with cash as the registers are all digital now.

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[Caspien]

Show me the modern gas pump that still operates when powers out? We had to wait over an hour at the gas station in July when a monsoon dropped power lines and we didn't have enough fuel to make it 60 miles up the road to the next stations (and couldn't be certain they had power anyway). If you don't have power you aren't getting gas anymore either. The stations weren't even letting people in to buy anything with cash as the registers are all digital now.

Dunno about where you're at, but many of the local stations around here (admittedly, I'm fairly rural) have backup generators... which is sort of funny, in a way.. using your own product, to deliver your own product. LOL

I can't say all of them do, but I know a large number of QT (QuikTrip) have generators. (It also produces a bit of an issue, if they're the only ones around, that do.. since the lines back up)

 

[Janster]

I just hope all of these hybrids will have an affordable replacement battery when the factory one fails in 8 - 12 years. That would be my only hesitation to buy EV. I love my Dewalt/Milwaukee cordless tools, but those batteries are cheap to replace. Right now, the Wrangler 4Xe battery replacement cost is $9,600 which doesn't include labor. There's already been a good number of battery failures on 2021 - 2022 Jeep Wranglers. Yes, those were replaced under warranty, but what will happen when the warranty period is over?

Makes me wonder …. all those used Hybrids & electrics out there. How the resale values compare….supply / damand for used. . When people are shopping for used… are they soooo caught up in the NOW (or Wow factor) that they don’t realize in 5 years, they could have a $10,000 repair bill?

Theoretically… in 10 years… the vehicle itself could be worth LESS than it costs to replace the batteries.

And of course…. I don’t wanna know the disasters that await us when all these batteries die and need recycled and destroyed. That’ll be good for the planet.

 

[Zachanadandy]

Makes me wonder …. all those used Hybrids & electrics out there. How the resale values compare….supply / damand for used. . When people are shopping for used… are they soooo caught up in the NOW (or Wow factor) that they don’t realize in 5 years, they could have a $10,000 repair bill?

Theoretically… in 10 years… the vehicle itself could be worth LESS than it costs to replace the batteries.

And of course…. I don’t wanna know the disasters that await us when all these batteries die and need recycled and destroyed. That’ll be good for the planet.

Buying high mileage used ICE vehicles is no different. Guess what a full engine replacement costs installed in a modern vehicle? $12-15k depending on the engine. If you aren't saving far more than that buying high mileage used anything just buy new or low mileage with plenty of warranty left.

 

[Zachanadandy]

Dunno about where you're at, but many of the local stations around here (admittedly, I'm fairly rural) have backup generators... which is sort of funny, in a way.. using your own product, to deliver your own product. LOL

I can't say all of them do, but I know a large number of QT (QuikTrip) have generators. (It also produces a bit of an issue, if they're the only ones around, that do.. since the lines back up)

Haven't seen many out here, but our grid is also very reliable. I've been in my house for 20+ years and could count the number of outages that lasted more than an hour on 1 hand. If those stations with backup generators were smart they'd install EV chargers and capitalize on that market when the power is out too.

 

[AmosMoses]

If car manufacturers would design standardized battery bays that could accept 3rd party batteries that could be swapped out fairly easy a section of cells at a time and also be swapped out at stations(including gas stations) I think this would be a pretty big milestone in EV convenience.

 

[Zachanadandy]

If car manufacturers would design standardized battery bays that could accept 3rd party batteries that could be swapped out fairly easy a section of cells at a time and also be swapped out at stations(including gas stations) I think this would be a pretty big milestone in EV convenience.

Just trust random motorists with a cherry picker and an 800 pound battery pack that when they drop it and it catches fire can't be put out and throw them in the shop at a gas station... what could go wrong? DC fast chargers are now pushing beyond 350kW. That's adding 200 miles of range in ~12 minutes nearly as quick as pumping gas. Just long enough to go inside, take a leak, and grab a beverage. Why on earth would I trade you my low mileage pack for god knows how many miles and abuse used pack that would take longer to swap out than charging?

 

[AmosMoses]

Just trust random motorists with a cherry picker and an 800 pound battery pack that when they drop it and it catches fire can't be put out and throw them in the shop at a gas station... what could go wrong? DC fast chargers are now pushing beyond 350kW. That's adding 200 miles of range in ~12 minutes nearly as quick as pumping gas. Just long enough to go inside, take a leak, and grab a beverage. Why on earth would I trade you my low mileage pack for god knows how many miles and abuse used pack that would take longer to swap out than charging?

That's why I said "battery bays" and "a section at a time". Think of 10-20 power tool battery packs as one section that can be removed and slide out on a roller like a dead body at a morgue. When you put a new pack on the tray it locks in with the connector facing one way only and when you slide it in it locks into place and door is closed to keep it safe and dry. Its a pretty easy concept that would be popular to people who dont own money trees.

 

[Jrgunn5150]

There are multiple third party battery repair companies and swap companies.

I personally own, three different hybrid batteries for various off grid properties and didn't pay more than 1200 for any of them.

People have an agenda, or pick a side, get emotional, regurgitate things that affirm their biases, and live in echo chambers.

Why there are multiple people on this thread with no interest in a hybrid, trying to convince those with one they'll die, is one of the most bizarre aspects of our current social climate.

 

[NOTJeepBeerSleep]

just need to perfect FLOW batteries. replace the electrolyte at the pump.

 

[Zachanadandy]

That's why I said "battery bays" and "a section at a time". Think of 10-20 power tool battery packs as one section that can be removed and slide out on a roller like a dead body at a morgue. When you put a new pack on the tray it locks in with the connector facing one way only and when you slide it in it locks into place and door is closed to keep it safe and dry. Its a pretty easy concept that would be popular to people who dont own money trees.

You do realize the amperage involved in powering 600-1,000 ftlb electric motors for vehicles is nothing like the ~20A rated blades on your dewalt batteries right? You'd also need 1,000 5Ah 20v tool batteries to reach the 100kWh rating of the larger vehicles on the road right now. At $117/battery right now you're only looking at $117,000 to power your concept. Good luck getting 1,000 separate battery packs to balance with each other. If it was cheaper, or even the same cost that's how they would have been built because way more people think "just swap the battery like my cordless drill" than let me plug this thing in for 20-40 minutes. It just doesn't work.

 

[Stan H]

That's what I'm saying, I don't think the software would ever run the battery down to the point you didn't have enough reserve to punch it and still have the electric motor assist and the full 470ftlbs. On a several hour flat drive you likely aren't using more than 100ftlbs to maintain speed.

The software dont stop the 3.6L from batteries going stone dead dead dead dead .. sorry I stuttered .. Yeah I see the batteries in the future and it aint looking so bright

 

[Zachanadandy]

The software dont stop the 3.6L from batteries going stone dead dead dead dead .. sorry I stuttered .. Yeah I see the batteries in the future and it aint looking so bright

Of course they'll eventually die, but I wouldn't be surprised if they outcast the 3.6L or 2.0t.

 

[Stan H]

Of course they'll eventually die, but I wouldn't be surprised if they outcast the 3.6L or 2.0t.

Never !! Perish the thought

 

[AmosMoses]

You do realize the amperage involved in powering 600-1,000 ftlb electric motors for vehicles is nothing like the ~20A rated blades on your dewalt batteries right? You'd also need 1,000 5Ah 20v tool batteries to reach the 100kWh rating of the larger vehicles on the road right now. At $117/battery right now you're only looking at $117,000 to power your concept. Good luck getting 1,000 separate battery packs to balance with each other. If it was cheaper, or even the same cost that's how they would have been built because way more people think "just swap the battery like my cordless drill" than let me plug this thing in for 20-40 minutes. It just doesn't work.

Thanks for the feedback Zachanadandy.

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