2026 Jeep JT Hybrid

[ShadowsPapa]

Its not about efficiency. If it was cars would be getting smaller and lighter.

They were - look at the 80s Monte Carlo compared to the original, among many other examples.
However, then safety laws took over and weight was added back in, and sizes stopped shrinking.
Then the public said - screw this, I don't want tiny, and the SUV became the new grocery-getter. Car companies gladly paid the CAFE fines because they were selling stuff.
It's a crazy mixed up circle............

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[Zachanadandy]

They were - look at the 80s Monte Carlo compared to the original, among many other examples.
However, then safety laws took over and weight was added back in, and sizes stopped shrinking.
Then the public said - screw this, I don't want tiny, and the SUV became the new grocery-getter. Car companies gladly paid the CAFE fines because they were selling stuff.
It's a crazy mixed up circle............

The lucid aire set a new efficiency record on a single charge of its 117kWh battery pack. It's nether small nor light, but on the equivalent energy of just 3 gallons of diesel they managed 749 miles. Aerodynamics and a much more efficient drivetrain than any ICE vehicle could ever dream of proves we don't need smaller vehicles, just better designs and better use of the fuels energy. Solid state batteries are showing to be 7-10 times the energy density of current EV battery designs. A solid state pack of similar size could literally get you across the entire country... and back.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

The lucid aire set a new efficiency record on a single charge of its 117kWh battery pack. It's nether small nor light, but on the equivalent energy of just 3 gallons of diesel they managed 749 miles. Aerodynamics and a much more efficient drivetrain than any ICE vehicle could ever dream of proves we don't need smaller vehicles, just better designs and better use of the fuels energy. Solid state batteries are showing to be 7-10 times the energy density of current EV battery designs. A solid state pack of similar size could literally get you across the entire country... and back.

Some of the new battery tech is amazing. I've been following the solid state bit for several reasons. Get rid of the battery issues we face with so many things.

The problem with ICE engines, gas or diesel, is so much of the energy goes out as heat - exhaust or cooling system.
Over 2/3 of the fuel burned is wasted in heat, as well as overcoming friction (even in the engine itself)

 

[D_JT]

Its not about efficiency. If it was cars would be getting smaller and lighter.

The intentions of my comment wasn’t about efficiency. The dude simply said he wish he could get 400+ miles from a Gladiator. I simply pointed out he can, with the diesel. And I gave my real world experience.

 

[AstroZombie]

Stock shocks aren't worth the time even if they are free in my opinion. Aside from the mojave they are all under dampened. Definitely not worth dealing with the dealer when I can buy a set of bilstein 5100s for $400 and have much better dampening. Add in the fact that you'll gain 30-50% more droop with aftermarket shocks and It’s 2 simple bolts and you don't even need a jack. Sometimes even free comes with way more disadvantages than spending some money. Reminds me of going to a baseball game when they did $1 hot dog days. Those stands had people waiting in line for multiple innings to save a few bucks, I'd rather spend a bit more and enjoy the game I came to watch.

not everyone can just crop money on new shocks. They aren't cheap. At the time it was the latest and greatest and I just wanted my Jeep to have what it came with in proper working order. Why even put shocks on it from the factory if having the 'Free" ones isn't worth the time or money. Bottom line is it came with something that didn't work and should have lasted longer than it did. Especially when it only has seen pavement and a few dirt roads. Either way, its fixed now and i have no issues and it rides really nice. When i am ready to upgrade things shocks will likely be on that list. I just need it to last the term of my auto loan. Once i don't have a truck payment then upgrades will be an option.

 

[Zachanadandy]

not everyone can just crop money on new shocks. They aren't cheap. At the time it was the latest and greatest and I just wanted my Jeep to have what it came with in proper working order. Why even put shocks on it from the factory if having the 'Free" ones isn't worth the time or money. Bottom line is it came with something that didn't work and should have lasted longer than it did. Especially when it only has seen pavement and a few dirt roads. Either way, its fixed now and i have no issues and it rides really nice. When i am ready to upgrade things shocks will likely be on that list. I just need it to last the term of my auto loan. Once i don't have a truck payment then upgrades will be an option.

I agree to a point. For me, time is money so that factors in to decisions like a warranty claim for less than impressive shocks too. My dealer is an hour away. Appointment or not even a simple oil change takes hours. They'd likely turn that free shock into needing the vehicle all day. Now I've had to waste 2 hours of my time and 2 hours of my wife's time with drop off and pick up. For them to do a 10 minute job that I could do in the driveway with no jack. Being that both our Jeeps are lifted and get 13mpg I'm also out $40 in fuel for that "free" shock. For the massive upgrade in dampening and travel at a cost of $350 that also saves me 4hrs and the headaches of dealing with the dealer I know which way I'm going every time. I could work that 4 hours of overtime and pay for the shocks even if the budget was that tight.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

not everyone can just crop money on new shocks. They aren't cheap. At the time it was the latest and greatest and I just wanted my Jeep to have what it came with in proper working order. Why even put shocks on it from the factory if having the 'Free" ones isn't worth the time or money. Bottom line is it came with something that didn't work and should have lasted longer than it did. Especially when it only has seen pavement and a few dirt roads. Either way, its fixed now and i have no issues and it rides really nice. When i am ready to upgrade things shocks will likely be on that list. I just need it to last the term of my auto loan. Once i don't have a truck payment then upgrades will be an option.

And as someone else here as said - it's the principal of the thing. They made it, they sold it, they need to make it right. (Still fighting the sunrider bit)
But my experience with some after-market shocks - harsh as hell ride. Never again will I put those on. And for the money, a crappy ride just on gravel roads or shitty Des Moines streets? The stock shocks on the Overland were a GREAT ride.
The Eibach shocks seemed to be geared for a heavier truck. My overland was just too light for them, even with all of the stuff I had added (adding hundreds of pounds to it)
Now the Mojave is different - so I have to rethink things if/when I get to the point something isn't right.
But for my last two trucks - nothing I tried beat the factory installed shocks, even when towing or zipping around at 85 mph in the wind.

 

[biodiesel]

I agree to a point. For me, time is money so that factors in to decisions like a warranty claim for less than impressive shocks too. My dealer is an hour away.

This reminds me of the two free Jeep Wave oil changes. My nearest dealer is two hours away. I made a conscious effort to combine my trip with other purposes for the first 12-month oil change. I'll be doing the same for the last 'free' 12-month oil change in March. It's hard for me to pass up free oil changes!

 

[D_JT]

This reminds me of the two free Jeep Wave oil changes. My nearest dealer is two hours away. I made a conscious effort to combine my trip with other purposes for the first 12-month oil change. I'll be doing the same for the last 'free' 12-month oil change in March. It's hard for me to pass up free oil changes!

I fought myself and went against my better judgement and let the monkey's at the dealership do the first two free oil changes. I regretted it both times. Im glad Im doing the oil changes now.

 

[biodiesel]

I fought myself and went against my better judgement and let the monkey's at the dealership do the first two free oil changes. I regretted it both times. Im glad Im doing the oil changes now.

Yeah, it can be a high-risk situation! Which dealer did you go to?

 

[Zachanadandy]

And as someone else here as said - it's the principal of the thing. They made it, they sold it, they need to make it right. (Still fighting the sunrider bit)
But my experience with some after-market shocks - harsh as hell ride. Never again will I put those on. And for the money, a crappy ride just on gravel roads or shitty Des Moines streets? The stock shocks on the Overland were a GREAT ride.
The Eibach shocks seemed to be geared for a heavier truck. My overland was just too light for them, even with all of the stuff I had added (adding hundreds of pounds to it)
Now the Mojave is different - so I have to rethink things if/when I get to the point something isn't right.
But for my last two trucks - nothing I tried beat the factory installed shocks, even when towing or zipping around at 85 mph in the wind.

I'm all for standing on the principle, but even that has its limits. Granted we wheel pretty aggressively in every Jeep we've ever owned. Even the WJ was run through the Rubicon trail multiple times. They also all end up on larger tires. I prefer the ride of a firmer shock and have felt every Jeep I've ever owned needed more dampening aside from the mojave. The added droop alone is worth the cost to me. If one of the mojave shocks went out before the bumper to bumper warranty ended I absolutely would have fought the dealer for replacement. At 38k miles now, I'll be stuck dropping $3k on a set of shocks for it as there is nothing cheaper available that is truly an upgrade for the 2.5" internal bypass shocks that come on it. I'm guessing you'd be happier with one of the softer aftermarket shocks like the fox 2.0s or the metalcloak rocksport red shocks. I felt the reds were great for rock crawling and slower trails but were under dampened at speeds in the dirt. Hit one large crest at speed in the desert and ordered the fox 2.0s to replace them the day we got home.

 

[RudeJeepin]

This reminds me of the two free Jeep Wave oil changes. My nearest dealer is two hours away. I made a conscious effort to combine my trip with other purposes for the first 12-month oil change. I'll be doing the same for the last 'free' 12-month oil change in March. It's hard for me to pass up free oil changes!

The dealer I use is 30 minutes away, but I still try to combine trips if possible.
Not to rub it in, but we got 3 free oil changes with both of our Jeeps. Not sure what changed there.

 

[biodiesel]

Not to rub it in, but we got 3 free oil changes with both of our Jeeps. Not sure what changed there.

From my understanding, the Jeep Wave program was modified in July of 2023. They went from 3 oil changes in 3 years to 2 oil changes in 2 years.

Three oil changes would be nice! That would be three full years without any maintenance costs!

 

[jmr]

When I bought my 2024 JLUR is was 3 oil changes then shortly after it went with 2. My local dealer won't honor the 3rd oil change even though it was 3 when I bought it.

 

[Hootbro]

From my understanding, the Jeep Wave program was modified in July of 2023. They went from 3 oil changes in 3 years to 2 oil changes in 2 years.

Three oil changes would be nice! That would be three full years without any maintenance costs!

Use to be 4 Jeep Wave oil changes and tire rotations back in 2019 for 2020 models

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