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I hardly know the nuances from package to package the way, say, @ShadowsPapa does - but the High Tide package seems to have a lot of the Overland stuff these days.

https://www.rainbowcdjrofamite.com/...tor-high-tide-4x4-crew-cab-1c6pjtag3sl548530/

It appears they come with leather heated power seats, painted tops and fenders, etc. Not an exact one for one - but looks solid (to me). Heck if it had 4.10 gears or was available with Max Tow I'd almost have to eat crow on my words 'Im currently driving my last Gladiator'.
I probably am. But I leave the door open for an additional one if say I win the lottery 😂😂
 

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The 4XE Gladiator could not maintain charge while towing at capacity.

Again.

That simple.

Nothing else.

Even the 4xE Wrangler struggles with this while towing at capacity.
And historically speaking the tow capacity of Wranglers was around 2,000 pounds max it may be even less now .
 

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And historically speaking the tow capacity of Wranglers was around 2,000 pounds max it may be even less now .
Exactly, they're barely rated to tow a little teardrop.

People would 100% want a Max Tow 4xE, and expect it to at least be mid-sized competitive.
 

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Exactly, they're barely rated to tow a little teardrop.

People would 100% want a Max Tow 4xE, and expect it to at least be mid-sized competitive.
Yeah imagining the entire interior full of batteries and the beefed up suspension to carry them all.
 

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Yeah imagining the entire interior full of batteries and the beefed up suspension to carry them all.
They can do the packaging, it's just a major tear up, and why? For 4 years of production and another 30-40k units?

Just roll it into the next one.
 

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At the end of the day, this isn't political, it's financial
That's correct. Ford, GM, and Stellantis have all said they are losing profits on EV programs, which is why many EV projects are being delayed or canceled. Towards the end of his time, even Carlos Tavares said that pushing EV wasn't sustainable.

"Ford Motor (FN) on Wednesday projected up to $5.5 billion in losses on its electric vehicle and software operations this year, a loss similar to last year." - Reuters Business
 

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That's correct. Ford, GM, and Stellantis have all said they are losing profits on EV programs, which is why many EV projects are being delayed or canceled. Towards the end of his time, even Carlos Tavares said that pushing EV wasn't sustainable.

"Ford Motor (FN) on Wednesday projected up to $5.5 billion in losses on its electric vehicle and software operations this year, a loss similar to last year." - Reuters Business
But its so green 💚...Bwahahahaha 🤢🤮
 

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Yeah imagining the entire interior full of batteries and the beefed up suspension to carry them all.
Carlos Tavares was starting to see the light at the end of his reign. In several 2024 interviews, he mentioned that EV batteries were simply too heavy. At one point, he talked about needing to wait for a breakthrough in battery technology before going to the next level in EV development, which he thought would be 10 years. He felt that batteries would need to be cut down by 50% before it could be considered 'green'. It's interesting to see how optimistic he was in 2021, but by 2024, he had pivoted away from the EV push.
 

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But its so green 💚...Bwahahahaha 🤢🤮
If green was the priority almost everything would just be a plugin hybrid with about 30 miles of range and an efficient gas engine. You can make 5-10 phevs for 1 ev, and run significantly more miles under electric power everyday as that is the majority of most people's daily commute and uses 1/10th to 1/5th the battery of an EV. Plus wouldn't need as much new infrastructure, no range anxiety, easier to incorporate to average homes since you won't need a 50 amp specialty charger or any of the other ev drawbacks.
 

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If green was the priority nothing would be a PHEV, it's the most complex, inefficient way to move a vehicle 🙄
 

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If green was the priority nothing would be a PHEV, it's the most complex, inefficient way to move a vehicle 🙄
Complex sure, not sure how you can say inefficient though other than you just don't like them because reasons lol.
 

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Complex sure, not sure how you can say inefficient though other than you just don't like them because reasons lol.
It's wild to assign a whole set of values to me off one post of mine that you read, when I have about twenty just in this thread alone.

Feelings have nothing to do with the fact that two, complete, intertwined drivetrains, are more complex than one.
 

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It's wild to assign a whole set of values to me off one post of mine that you read, when I have about twenty just in this thread alone.

Feelings have nothing to do with the fact that two, complete, intertwined drivetrains, are more complex than one.
No values assigned. I agree it can be more complex than a straight gas drive train but complexity =\= inefficiency. Yes they're more complex, but a modern diesel is significantly more complex (and newer technology than a hybrid actually) than a gas car but it doesn't suddenly make it less efficient either.
 

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When I say efficiency, I'm not referring to the conversion of fuel to propulsion.

I'm referring to cost to manufacture.

Again, 2 drivetrains, not an efficient design.

PHEV's exist to satisfy CAFE regulations. 90% of owners never even plug them in one time.

EREV's, exist to actually efficiently convert fuel into motion with high ROI on existing infrastructure.

EV's, are economical to manufacture and operate, which is why ever new car company is launching EV's.

ICE exists because companies won't do anything different without incentive, they purely exist to chase profit.
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