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Reached out to Edelbrock to see what the update was on their EForce supercharger for the JL/JT 3.6. Below is a quote from the email response I just received.


Hello Benjamin,

We are actually doing a install on a Gladiator & calibration is working through calibration for passing C.A.R.B. E.O. emissions. Design & hardware are done. Hopefully calibration will soon (August - September) finish & submit vehicle for emissions testing.

Thank you for contacting Edelbrock.
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It blows my mind (and maybe my engine) that these companies are spending the resources to develop products, that there is no sustainable supply of fuel for.

11.3:1 compression ratio (before positive manifold pressure) is going to create a need for octane that you can't get at about 99% of stations.

If they produced a cam/piston/supercharger package that reduced compression, they might have something.

But all I can see coming from bolting something on, is destroyed engines
 

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Well I guess you guys are over looking meth injection or running E85........ both are economical ways of bumping up octane levels.
 

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That would put the P-star at roughly 350 crank horsepower and 301 lbs/ft. of torque for around the same money as the EcoDiesel upgrade (assuming that unicorn ever actually happens). This makes a very interesting decision. While the diesel would still produce more torque, the supercharged P-star would decimate it in acceleration and passing power and would maintain more legal payload and towing capacity also. Hmmm..........
 
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If I were to pull the trigger on an SC I'd want it from the company with the biggest R&D team and the proven manufacturing track record. Not saying the other kits aren't good, but I feel the need to beat the competition sometimes outweighs the need to put out the most dependable product.
 

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11.3:1 compression ratio (before positive manifold pressure) is going to create a need for octane that you can't get at about 99% of stations.
Its all in the tune brother.

I am running 28psi at 11.4:1 compression on 93, safely... on a different car.

I would assume the Edelbrock is running under 10psi, probably closer to 7psi. But could be wrong.
 

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285hp and 260tq at flywheel stock, with 15% driveline loss, that would be 242 and 221, so that's 61/41 increase in WHP. That superchips 30whp increase is impressive.

So the supercharger kit is about twice as much increase as the superchips.....So it'll make more, but.......:surprised:
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So just to stir the pot here.

Engines are essentially air pumps and at 100% volumetric efficiency they are able ingest, combust and exhaust a given volume of atmosphere equal to the swept volume of the pistons plus the combustion chamber volume. This should be reflected in manifold pressure as small rise above ambient during those brief moments the valves are closed.

So far so good.

Superchargers and turbochargers work to increase the air volume flowing into the engine and so long as the various other parts of the engine have been enlarged to promote this flow things should continue as normal. However what is boost pressure? I argue that boost pressure is a reflection of resistance to flow and high boost pressure itself is not a representation of useful increased flow and thus power output.

Big boy industrial air compressors are not much more that an electric motor turning a supercharger and while it is possible to see 200psi or beyond it’s only because all the consumers are closed and not flowing. The same situation exists with an engine where I would prefer to to see manifold pressure decrease as air volume throughput increases.

The direction here is that boost pressure is and of itself not an indicator of actual developed power output, throwing more air at a stock 3.6L is not going to make a lot more power without revised ignition timing, more fuel and in light of the high static compression, revised combustion chambers. But if I had the choice of more air volume or more air pressure I would choose volume because depending on cam lobe overlap you can end up blowing mixture out the exhaust valve.

From all indications edelbrock seems to know what they are doing and what I’ve read about their 3.6 kit it works well and I would prefer to spend some more money with them based on overall competency.
 

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So just to stir the pot here.

Engines are essentially air pumps and at 100% volumetric efficiency they are able ingest, combust and exhaust a given volume of atmosphere equal to the swept volume of the pistons plus the combustion chamber volume. This should be reflected in manifold pressure as small rise above ambient during those brief moments the valves are closed.

So far so good.

Superchargers and turbochargers work to increase the air volume flowing into the engine and so long as the various other parts of the engine have been enlarged to promote this flow things should continue as normal. However what is boost pressure? I argue that boost pressure is a reflection of resistance to flow and high boost pressure itself is not a representation of useful increased flow and thus power output.

Big boy industrial air compressors are not much more that an electric motor turning a supercharger and while it is possible to see 200psi or beyond it’s only because all the consumers are closed and not flowing. The same situation exists with an engine where I would prefer to to see manifold pressure decrease as air volume throughput increases.

The direction here is that boost pressure is and of itself not an indicator of actual developed power output, throwing more air at a stock 3.6L is not going to make a lot more power without revised ignition timing, more fuel and in light of the high static compression, revised combustion chambers. But if I had the choice of more air volume or more air pressure I would choose volume because depending on cam lobe overlap you can end up blowing mixture out the exhaust valve.

From all indications edelbrock seems to know what they are doing and what I’ve read about their 3.6 kit it works well and I would prefer to spend some more money with them based on overall competency.
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So +60 hp from a blower?

Waste of time...
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