This virus is killing my new truck buzz

[12BNNT]

Sorry can’t really compare to an appendicitis. That’s some basic imagining to diagnose with a basic surgery to resolve it. This is a virus that spreads fast, we still don’t know much about it and how it spreads, and we don’t have a vaccine. A large portion of the US will get it before a vaccine is available.

Not apples to apples at all.

That was kinda my point... maybe not the best analogy but think back 100 years... appendicitis was a death sentence but, as you said, today it just simple imaging and simple surgery. Not really apples to apples but more looking at how what was once not understood and extremely deadly is now just a routine thing. I was agreeing with the other member that also said if we can slow the spread, healthcare will get more efficient at treating the effects of the virus.

Also, the CDC does know quite a bit about the virus and how it’s spread. Read up on it for yourself at www.cdc.gov
Unfortunately, a lot of media, including the previously mentioned cable outlets don’t do their homework and want to spout the hyped up half truths that get them noticed and watched. Saying “we still don’t know how it’s spread but xx number of people died yesterday bringing the total to xxxx”. Of course they don’t say that’s xx number of deaths out of xx million infected and xx number of them were immune compromised already.

They may not know how it’s spread but the medical field does. Listen to them not an attention seeking news anchor. Learn more about it for yourself from qualified sources, not actors and social media click bait.
I was always under the impression there’s “no cure for a cold” but my wife was telling me today that scientists are trying to come up with a vaccine and may be close to having one soon.

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[5JeepsAz]

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[Gvsukids]

I hope a precedent has not been set that every year when cold or flu season hits that we shut the country down to try to save lives.

 

[danielspivey]

They may not know how it’s spread but the medical field does. Listen to them not an attention seeking news anchor. Learn more about it for yourself from qualified sources, not actors and social media click bait.
I was always under the impression there’s “no cure for a cold” but my wife was telling me today that scientists are trying to come up with a vaccine and may be close to having one soon.

I don’t even watch the news or look the paper. I don’t have Facebook. Working in a hospital every day I can tell you that the information that comes out to us changes daily and hourly. What I instruct my team members to do changes hourly. It’s confusing and frustrating for all. Working with recommendations from epidemiology and CDC is like watching the stock market it’s all over the place. FYI first hand... we aren’t sure how it spreads

 

[12BNNT]

I hope a precedent has not been set that every year when cold or flu season hits that we shut the country down to try to save lives.

I wouldn’t think so. Don’t remember any major shut down and panic when colds and flu were going around last year. This virus is just a really nasty one. Rhinovirus and Coronavirus are the ones that cause a common cold but this Coronavirus mutation isn’t the same as the several that the CDC list as associated with the common cold. As they say on their site, its more closely in line with a SARS virus which is a Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome so it is more likely to cause one to develop pneumonia and other life threatening issues. If my memory serves me correctly (which getting old hinders lol) it seems like the really nasty ones come about every ten years or so. H1N1 was 2009, Beijing flu was early 90’s (I had a 104.3 fever with that one) there was Swine flu before that in the 80’s... so.... hopefully when we get past this we’ll be good for another decade

Another thing people need to remember, this is not Ebola (80% mortality) or Hemorrhagic Fever, contracting this virus does not mean your going to die!! If you don’t take care of yourself, you can develop more life threatening symptoms, but if you take care and follow standard recovery protocols most people get over it without hospitalization or special medications. If someone gets it they just need to call their doctor and follow his/her advise.

 

[12BNNT]

I don’t even watch the news or look the paper. I don’t have Facebook. Working in a hospital every day I can tell you that the information that comes out to us changes daily and hourly. What I instruct my team members to do changes hourly. It’s confusing and frustrating for all. Working with recommendations from epidemiology and CDC is like watching the stock market it’s all over the place. FYI first hand... we aren’t sure how it spreads

I don’t watch the news very often any more either. Seems like its always overdramatizing everything. Since you work in a hospital, let me ask you this, how often do you get people in there that are tested positive and freaked out by the media thinking they are guaranteed to die because of it due to watching exaggerated news reports? (Had a coworker who was acting paranoid that half of our coworkers would end up dying if one person came to work sick)

My wife works for county health dept and is actually doing an epidemiology class right now as part of her Masters degree in health. She’s hating all the relative risk calculations with different variables that have to be done for that class, lol (don’t know If you’ve done that and remember it) Reading up on the virus and talking with her and discussing different aspects of this has given me most of my insight (and relative calmness) on this.

As far as spread, this is copy and paste from CDC website and what I was referencing.... (Granted they use CYA terminology like ‘thought to’ ... ‘possible’... and ‘Likely’ )

“Coronaviruses are generally thought to be spread from person-to-person through respiratory droplets. Currently there is no evidence to support transmission of COVID-19 associated with food. Before preparing or eating food it is important to always wash your hands with soap and water for 20 seconds for general food safety. Throughout the day wash your hands after blowing your nose, coughing or sneezing, or going to the bathroom.

It may be possible that a person can get COVID-19 by touching a surface or object that has the virus on it and then touching their own mouth, nose, or possibly their eyes, but this is not thought to be the main way the virus spreads.

In general, because of poor survivability of these coronaviruses on surfaces, there is likely very low risk of spread from food products or packaging that are shipped over a period of days or weeks at ambient, refrigerated, or frozen temperatures.”

 

[danielspivey]

I wouldn’t think so. Don’t remember any major shut down and panic when colds and flu were going around last year. This virus is just a really nasty one. Rhinovirus and Coronavirus are the ones that cause a common cold but this Coronavirus mutation isn’t the same as the several that the CDC list as associated with the common cold. As they say on their site, its more closely in line with a SARS virus which is a Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome so it is more likely to cause one to develop pneumonia and other life threatening issues. If my memory serves me correctly (which getting old hinders lol) it seems like the really nasty ones come about every ten years or so. H1N1 was 2009, Beijing flu was early 90’s (I had a 104.3 fever with that one) there was Swine flu before that in the 80’s... so.... hopefully when we get past this we’ll be good for another decade

Another thing people need to remember, this is not Ebola (80% mortality) or Hemorrhagic Fever, contracting this virus does not mean your going to die!! If you don’t take care of yourself, you can develop more life threatening symptoms, but if you take care and follow standard recovery protocols most people get over it without hospitalization or special medications. If someone gets it they just need to call their doctor and follow his/her advise.

You say a lot of definitive things in your post... but read the first statement on the CDC website about Covid-19:

“COVID-19 is a new disease and we are still learning how it spreads, the severity of illness it causes, and to what extent it may spread in the United States”.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prepare/transmission.html

Sound very definitive to you?

Also you really should be referring to this virus as COVID-19 and not coronovirus. There are different types of Coronavirus... the more severe one COVID-19. We refer to them them at COVID-19 Coronavirus and non-COVID-19 Coronavirus, you probably should too. There’s a big difference

 

[danielspivey]

I don’t watch the news very often any more either. Seems like its always overdramatizing everything. Since you work in a hospital, let me ask you this, how often do you get people in there that are tested positive and freaked out by the media thinking they are guaranteed to die because of it due to watching exaggerated news reports? (Had a coworker who was acting paranoid that half of our coworkers would end up dying if one person came to work sick)

My wife works for county health dept and is actually doing an epidemiology class right now as part of her Masters degree in health. She’s hating all the relative risk calculations with different variables that have to be done for that class, lol (don’t know If you’ve done that and remember it) Reading up on the virus and talking with her and discussing different aspects of this has given me most of my insight (and relative calmness) on this.

As far as spread, this is copy and paste from CDC website and what I was referencing.... (Granted they use CYA terminology like ‘thought to’ ... ‘possible’... and ‘Likely’ )

“Coronaviruses are generally thought to be spread from person-to-person through respiratory droplets. Currently there is no evidence to support transmission of COVID-19 associated with food. Before preparing or eating food it is important to always wash your hands with soap and water for 20 seconds for general food safety. Throughout the day wash your hands after blowing your nose, coughing or sneezing, or going to the bathroom.

It may be possible that a person can get COVID-19 by touching a surface or object that has the virus on it and then touching their own mouth, nose, or possibly their eyes, but this is not thought to be the main way the virus spreads.

In general, because of poor survivability of these coronaviruses on surfaces, there is likely very low risk of spread from food products or packaging that are shipped over a period of days or weeks at ambient, refrigerated, or frozen temperatures.”

Yep lots of words like “assumed” and “thought”. The WHO is considering classifying COVID-19 as being airborne...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost...fter-coronavirus-found-to-survive-in-air/amp/

Rest assured we are practicing airborne precautions for positive COVID-19 patients. Scary at all?

 

[Jeeperjamie]

Well another positive case at my job, guys wife tested positive now going to CDC for confirmation. She's 28, healthy and runs but going on a ventilator as we speak because she is having severe difficulty breathing. No underlining conditions before this. He told me the doctors are seriously concerned, got me worried now about our next steps. I really don't think the government knows half as much as they are telling or if they are just adding or subtracting what you should or shouldn't do as they go along. I really feel like they don't have grasp on this thing, and they aren't sure how bad it really can be if you get it. They are thinking she may of had it back in February and then stopped having symptoms and then either didn't get rid of it or contracted it again. This stuff being reported is all over the place, I'm just playing by ear and listening to what I'm being told first hand by doctors. The Doctor for our employees wife who my manager spoke to told him he recommended a total shut down of the facility, but naturally he said until someone from the health Dept or CDC tells him to shut the doors we are going to keep operations open. Not sure who's right or wrong there, my operations manager will know today if he is positive or not but after a conversation with him last night and how he sounded, I'm not obtimistic, I think he has it. He was having breathing problems and could not complete a sentence without coughing,plus the fever, it's pretty alarming.

 

[danielspivey]

Well another positive case at my job, guys wife tested positive now going to CDC for confirmation. She's 28, healthy and runs but going on a ventilator as we speak because she is having severe difficulty breathing. No underlining conditions before this. He told me the doctors are seriously concerned, got me worried now about our next steps. I really don't think the government knows half as much as they are telling or if they are just adding or subtracting what you should or shouldn't do as they go along. I really feel like they don't have grasp on this thing, and they aren't sure how bad it really can be if you get it. They are thinking she may of had it back in February and then stopped having symptoms and then either didn't get rid of it or contracted it again. This stuff being reported is all over the place, I'm just playing by ear and listening to what I'm being told first hand by doctors. The Doctor for our employees wife who my manager spoke to told him he recommended a total shut down of the facility, but naturally he said until someone from the health Dept or CDC tells him to shut the doors we are going to keep operations open. Not sure who's right or wrong there, my operations manager will know today if he is positive or not but after a conversation with him last night and how he sounded, I'm not obtimistic, I think he has it. He was having breathing problems and could not complete a sentence without coughing,plus the fever, it's pretty alarming.

Completely agree with your post.

she’s in her twenties... we initially thought it was only older people right? Well ... things change. Scary stuff.

Read this article, Per the CDC it’s affecting more people between the ages of 20-44 than we thought, 1 in 7 to 1 in 5 in the US are being hospitalized in that age range.

https://apple.news/A1IKrz2QFS42aUIpwWX-nBQ

 

[danielspivey]

It’s not just older folks now ....

https://apple.news/AFOl6uXuiSvu7FEMZxaqMaw

 

[12BNNT]

You say a lot of definitive things in your post... but read the first statement on the CDC website about Covid-19:

“COVID-19 is a new disease and we are still learning how it spreads, the severity of illness it causes, and to what extent it may spread in the United States”.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prepare/transmission.html

Sound very definitive to you?

Also you really should be referring to this virus as COVID-19 and not coronovirus. There are different types of Coronavirus... the more severe one COVID-19. We refer to them them at COVID-19 Coronavirus and non-COVID-19 Coronavirus, you probably should too. There’s a big difference

Point taken, I need to be more clear about the distinction between COVID-19 and others. I understand there are different types and this is new and serious.
On your other reply you mention WHO is considering classifying COVID-19 as “Airborne”, I guess I assumed CDC saying “thought to be spread through respiratory droplets“ meant just that. Not a health care worker myself so I never looked that closely on the distinction between the two. Ive read some stuff on WHO site but mostly CDC But I see your point that they are both filled with a lot of soft terms like ‘assumed’ and ‘thought to’ but quite honestly took that as them (Like everyone in this age) not wanting to be too definitive because if something changes, they don’t want any ‘sue happy’ people coming back with “you said...”

And one more note... I rest VERY assured that you and all our health care workers are taking the right precautions as needed. You got this!

 

[danielspivey]

Point taken, I need to be more clear about the distinction between COVID-19 and others. I understand there are different types and this is new and serious.
On your other reply you mention WHO is considering classifying COVID-19 as “Airborne”, I guess I assumed CDC saying “thought to be spread through respiratory droplets“ meant just that. Not a health care worker myself so I never looked that closely on the distinction between the two. Ive read some stuff on WHO site but mostly CDC But I see your point that they are both filled with a lot of soft terms like ‘assumed’ and ‘thought to’ but quite honestly took that as them (Like everyone in this age) not wanting to be too definitive because if something changes, they don’t want any ‘sue happy’ people coming back with “you said...”

And one more note... I rest VERY assured that you and all our health care workers are taking the right precautions as needed. You got this!

thanks for the support!

Airborne... can be spread by small particles in the air for hours ... or days. Someone coughs, in a hallway or room and someone else walking hours later walks through the same area and picks it up by breathing it in.

Droplet.. someone coughs, little particles come out and hit you in the face, hand or another surface and could be transmitted by vector.

Your probably right about the terminology due to the legal aspect of it.

 

[12BNNT]

It’s not just older folks now ....

https://apple.news/AFOl6uXuiSvu7FEMZxaqMaw

Read this same article too. My question is how many of those younger people took no basic health precautions under the misguided belief that Covid-19 is only high risk to those of an older generation? So many variables when doing statistics....

 

[Jeeperjamie]

Read this same article too. My question is how many of those younger people took no basic health precautions under the misguided belief that Covid-19 is only high risk to those of an older generation? So many variables when doing statistics....

I agree with this and also would like to clarify I'm not looking at pointing fingers at anyone in particular. I don't really think the government or anyone knows where this came from, and I really don't care where it came from. What I care about is what we are doing to get rid of it, or get a handle on it. Not a Trump supporter but I think amid what is going on it's not fair to him to point a finger at him and try to blame him or anyone else. All the conspiracy crap going around is just adding to the paranoia. What we need to do is look at ourselves and what we can do to try to prevent spreading it. The more we stay indoors and away from others the better. I'm not saying to confine yourselves only to your house but people still having parties and get togethers like this thing isn't real is crazy. People on my street were doing it last night, I'm thinking why are we putting ourselves at risk like that. Still having church right behind my house, I know for sure over 50 people were in there based on the parking lot. I'm just shaking my head at it. That's why we aren't going to get a handle on it, you got those out there who are still not taking this thing seriously.
Also why not instead of sending out thousands of dollars to people to spend, just send it to the mortgage companies and bill companies and suspend bills for a month or so and shut America down for about 4 or 5 weeks and tell people to stay home from work and don't worry about your bills. I mean where are you going to go to spend the money, most places around my area are shut down for at least 4 weeks. I'm sorry, shouldn't be on a rant like that. You guys keep yourselves and families safe, together we can get grip on this thing.

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