2Jeeps&PatriotX1
Well-Known Member
- Thread starter
- #1
New member but been following the threads for a couple of months. I know coming in here is like going to a coke dealer and asking if his coke is the best resulting in biased answers but it's worth a shot.
I'm on the fence of ordering a 2021 JTR w/ tow package. Please feel free to tell me if I'm wishful thinking and to forget about getting a JTR, let alone a JT.
Wanting a Rubicon because I do actually wheel my vehicles offroad (i.e. lockers, having front discos, oversized fender flares) and want paint-matched hard top/flares, remote proximity sensors, 8.4 screen, leather. But here is where I run into my concerns (PAYLOAD):
-Rubicon of course has a reduced towing and payload capacity.
-I tow a low-center of gravity offroad camper that comes in at 3395lbs loaded, 400lbs tongue weight (see pic below).
-I was wanting to make the following mods - steel bumper (at time of order), warn synthetic winch, rebel offroad half rack, rotopax (diesel & water), soft tonneau cover offered through Rebel, mopar 2" lift, 37s w/ new wheels & matching spare, removal of the rear bench seat and for purposes of staying on topic let's just say I chose to install the goose gear setup for my 2 large dogs, along with a dual ARB, of course my recovery gear and RTT down the road.
-Now throw in the fact that I was wanting the Ecodiesel (live in CO, had one in our '15 GC Limited, and turbos are king out here at higher elevation - mostly tow from 5400-12000' elevation and the 3.6 in our current GC sucks towing through the mountain passes) which drops the towing & payload capacity even more (although I haven't been able to find concrete confirmation other than 1 TFL article referencing towing at 6k).
If I calculate my needs correctly, I come up with:
Trailer tongue weight - 400lbs
(2) adults - 300
(2) dogs - 140
front steel bumper - 60
Winch & Plate - 100
Rebel half-rack - 150
(2) 2-gallon rotopax diesel - 30
(2) 2-gallon rotopax water - 24
37" spare w/ wheel - 15 above stock
Removal of rear bench - (93)
Goose gear seat delete - 39
ARB compressor - 10
Total = 1,175lbs
Too many OEM items to give up going from a Rubicon to a Sport S w/ max tow but based on this it would be too much payload for the Rubicon and that's not even taking into account a full tank of diesel or a RTT down the road.
If I skipped the rack & rotopax, that only saves me 204lbs.
I can't stand the 3.6 in the wife's current GC trail hawk for towing, which is why we take my F150 super crew w/ the 3.5 RB on all trips but I was hoping to downsize the # of vehicles we have and go from my F150 and my LJ wrangler (that rarely leaves the garage and is left behind on every trip) to a capable JTR.
My last resort (which I really don't want to do because of the hassle it can create), is to forget about a JT and just upgrade my F150 to a new F250/350 and tow a flatbed trailer with my LJ and camper loaded to our designated and then park the truck and trailer, offload and tow the camper a short distance behind my LJ up the trails to our remote camping destination.
I'm on the fence of ordering a 2021 JTR w/ tow package. Please feel free to tell me if I'm wishful thinking and to forget about getting a JTR, let alone a JT.
Wanting a Rubicon because I do actually wheel my vehicles offroad (i.e. lockers, having front discos, oversized fender flares) and want paint-matched hard top/flares, remote proximity sensors, 8.4 screen, leather. But here is where I run into my concerns (PAYLOAD):
-Rubicon of course has a reduced towing and payload capacity.
-I tow a low-center of gravity offroad camper that comes in at 3395lbs loaded, 400lbs tongue weight (see pic below).
-I was wanting to make the following mods - steel bumper (at time of order), warn synthetic winch, rebel offroad half rack, rotopax (diesel & water), soft tonneau cover offered through Rebel, mopar 2" lift, 37s w/ new wheels & matching spare, removal of the rear bench seat and for purposes of staying on topic let's just say I chose to install the goose gear setup for my 2 large dogs, along with a dual ARB, of course my recovery gear and RTT down the road.
-Now throw in the fact that I was wanting the Ecodiesel (live in CO, had one in our '15 GC Limited, and turbos are king out here at higher elevation - mostly tow from 5400-12000' elevation and the 3.6 in our current GC sucks towing through the mountain passes) which drops the towing & payload capacity even more (although I haven't been able to find concrete confirmation other than 1 TFL article referencing towing at 6k).
If I calculate my needs correctly, I come up with:
Trailer tongue weight - 400lbs
(2) adults - 300
(2) dogs - 140
front steel bumper - 60
Winch & Plate - 100
Rebel half-rack - 150
(2) 2-gallon rotopax diesel - 30
(2) 2-gallon rotopax water - 24
37" spare w/ wheel - 15 above stock
Removal of rear bench - (93)
Goose gear seat delete - 39
ARB compressor - 10
Total = 1,175lbs
Too many OEM items to give up going from a Rubicon to a Sport S w/ max tow but based on this it would be too much payload for the Rubicon and that's not even taking into account a full tank of diesel or a RTT down the road.
If I skipped the rack & rotopax, that only saves me 204lbs.
I can't stand the 3.6 in the wife's current GC trail hawk for towing, which is why we take my F150 super crew w/ the 3.5 RB on all trips but I was hoping to downsize the # of vehicles we have and go from my F150 and my LJ wrangler (that rarely leaves the garage and is left behind on every trip) to a capable JTR.
My last resort (which I really don't want to do because of the hassle it can create), is to forget about a JT and just upgrade my F150 to a new F250/350 and tow a flatbed trailer with my LJ and camper loaded to our designated and then park the truck and trailer, offload and tow the camper a short distance behind my LJ up the trails to our remote camping destination.
Sponsored
