Anybody Completely Enamored with the MAX TOW Stock?

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Question: Do you have to get a CDL to drive a Mack's Toe?

No, no CDL needed for the Max Tow.

Do you have your GED and are at least an 18y/o for your heavy equipment license to “off-road” your Rub-one-officon?

Why do some Rubicon owners, I'm guessing 1st time Jeep owners that bought a Rubicon, feel the need to come to this thread to talk smack? Does it make you feel big?

Most of us on here could probably out “off-road “ your rubicon with just about any 4x4.

And this brings me to my point for the JT, if you are really into off-roading a Jeep, and you spent $5-$12+Gs more for a Rubicon JT or an underpowered Mojave “desert runner”. You were fooled by some marketer sitting in a cubicle at Fiat that probably drives a Prius to work. This marketer, he or she, knows some people are dumb enough to waste money on a rig that is too big to “really” take off-road (departure and break-over suck on the JT unless you are rockin’ 40 +” tires. Then you may as well not buy the Rubicon because you’ll need to replace all the parts the smart marketer up-Sold you on to keep from breaking everything from the axles to steering).

Go back to your... Rubicon and Mojave threads.

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[Chilli]

Tennessee is indeed a lovely place to visit.
History abounds there & there is music in ''them thar hills'' at least usually.

 

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Tennessee is indeed a lovely place to visit.
History abounds there & there is music in ''them thar hills'' at least usually.

Yes, Tennessee IS a lovely place. Steeped in rich history and with many genres of music recorded in our studios. Nashville’s music of choice, that would be Country, is flowing once again from our famous Honky Tonks. Broadway is alive once again! Y’all should pay us a visit from Jacksonville.

Nashville is located in a basin, “them thar hills” are located to the east of Nashville. There is music in those hills as well.

 

[Chilli]

Actually my wife's family are all from TN & still living there too.
Part of the family is in Leipers Fork , Manchester & Nashville,
Wife was born in Sewanee & in the first graduating class w/ women.

 

[BLK HOLE]

Oh...?...so the fact is you “ off-road” and need big tires. ? you must be a first time rubicon owner... full of shit.

You don’t need big tires to “off-road” dumb ass.

PS IMOP... no offense.... your Jeep looks like shit. You need bigger tires. Don’t you know newb, that if you own a Rubicon you should have at least 40’s on there? Those pizza cutters your running look ridiculous on a Rubicon. ?

Pls graduate high school before you try and insult people in the future.

Oh...?...so the fact is you “ off-road” and need big tires. ? you must be a first time rubicon owner... full of shit.

You don’t need big tires to “off-road” dumb ass.

PS IMOP... no offense.... your Jeep looks like shit. You need bigger tires. Don’t you know newb, that if you own a Rubicon you should have at least 40’s on there? Those pizza cutters your running look ridiculous on a Rubicon. ?

Please finish high school before you attempt to insult people in the future.

I’m definitely a rookie first time Rubicon owner.

 

[NachoRuby]

No, no CDL needed for the Max Tow.

Do you have your GED and are at least an 18y/o for your heavy equipment license to “off-road” your Rub-one-officon?

Why do some Rubicon owners, I'm guessing 1st time Jeep owners that bought a Rubicon, feel the need to come to this thread to talk smack? Does it make you feel big?

Most of us on here could probably out “off-road “ your rubicon with just about any 4x4.

And this brings me to my point for the JT, if you are really into off-roading a Jeep, and you spent $5-$12+Gs more for a Rubicon JT or an underpowered Mojave “desert runner”. You were fooled by some marketer sitting in a cubicle at Fiat that probably drives a Prius to work. This marketer, he or she, knows some people are dumb enough to waste money on a rig that is too big to “really” take off-road (departure and break-over suck on the JT unless you are rockin’ 40 +” tires. Then you may as well not buy the Rubicon because you’ll need to replace all the parts the smart marketer up-Sold you on to keep from breaking everything from the axles to steering).

Go back to your... Rubicon and Mojave threads.

Rubicon owner here, but one without hate for any other trim. Just want to say the Rubicon isn't 5-12k more than a Max Tow. It's like 1100 more, maybe 3000 more, if you need the automatic, when similarly equiped. Not trying to start a flame war, because each trim serves a purpose, but the price difference just isn't that great.

Rubicon - $44,240, or 46240 with automatic
Max Tow - $43,140.
The price is about the same. It's all preference. I would have gotten a max tow, but I drive stick. And I wanted the 33s and mud tires. My trim isn't "better", and neither is yours. They are just different. Also, the Rubicon does just fine off-road.
Rubicon auto tows 6000 lbs, so it's no slouch either. Given the minimal price difference between the two, I can see why someone who needs to tow to less than 6000 (or not tow at all) would choose a Rubicon. I can also understand why someone who needs that towing capacity, would choose the Max Tow package. Different strokes for different folks. Neither is terribly inexpensive, and the Rubicon is not a whole lot more than the Sport S with Max Tow added, just different.

 

[Geauxcrush]

Rubicon owner here, but one without hate for any other trim. Just want to say the Rubicon isn't 5-12k more than a Max Tow. It's like 1100 more, maybe 3000 more, if you need the automatic, when similarly equiped. Not trying to start a flame war, because each trim serves a purpose, but the price difference just isn't that great.

Rubicon - $44,240, or 46240 with automatic
Max Tow - $43,140.
The price is about the same. It's all preference. I would have gotten a max tow, but I drive stick. And I wanted the 33s and mud tires. My trim isn't "better", and neither is yours. They are just different. Also, the Rubicon does just fine off-road.
Rubicon auto tows 6000 lbs, so it's no slouch either. Given the minimal price difference between the two, I can see why someone who needs to tow to less than 6000 (or not tow at all) would choose a Rubicon. I can also understand why someone who needs that towing capacity, would choose the Max Tow package. Different strokes for different folks. Neither is terribly inexpensive, and the Rubicon is not a whole lot more than the Sport S with Max Tow added, just different.

Great reply. Some people around here make it their mission to prove the Max Tow’s worth by incessantly downgrading the Rubicon and pushing the false narrative that all Rubicon’s are 10K+ more expensive.

 

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Pls graduate high school before you try and insult people in the future.

Please finish high school before you attempt to insult people in the future.

I’m definitely a rookie first time Rubicon owner.

Oh, more insults, that’s rich of you.

In general that’s what I find with people like you that bring trash talk (insults) into a non Rubicon forum about the Max Tow. Actually any forum that really doesn’t pertain to you. Why do you bother? Why do you think you are the only one that takes their rig/rigs off road? Why do you think some of us in this, what is supposed to be, a humble Max Tow Thread, care what you think? My truck isn’t ugly, JT MT isn’t ugly with stock wheels, I actually like it. So of course I get it, you are allowed your opinion.

In other words just your post shows your immaturity that you try.... to claim I displayed in my response to you.

So now you want to slap a pic on here, in a Max Tow Thread, so that we will be impressed with your “awesome” display of your off-road prowess. One pic of maybe your 4 door JKUR with its hood up on a trailer being towed by your JT. If you were here to tell us how well your Rubicon with Max Tow package towed your rig, that would be relevant to this thread. I’ll tell you what your pic shows me.


1- So that’s your off road rig? ? being towed by your gladiator to the trail head... a JKUR with a miss matched size spare, stock wheels that you say are ugly on the JT?, with oversized tires that when aired down properly will pop a bead in a heartbeat.
2- your choice of tow rig is laughable, although I love the gladiator, you are overloaded, probably by quite a bit.
3- I am sure there were a lot of diesel tow pigs at this trailhead when you showed up. Please know we laugh our asses off when a hot mess like yours rolls up to the trail head or off-road park.
4- Most of the time, not all of the time, I see people like you out on a trail with a trashed stock Rubicon locker, thrashed u-joint, broken steering box mount, (you probably still have the stock drive-shafts on your JKUR) or broken axle blocking the trail. I’ll walk up and the first thing I’ll notice is, you have no tools or spare parts to fix your cobbled together rig. Of course I’ll jump in with other experienced off-roaders, to fix your rig and get your crap out of our way.

This is just a humble Max Tow appreciation thread and you are welcome, but please
Leave the trash talk for your... off road Crawler threads etc. (please go post pics of your “off-road rig” and tow pig over on Pirate) ?

Since we are obviously manning up here in, of all places the Max Tow Love Thread... ?

Here is my “HS” response... as if you know me or anyone on here. Laughable honestly, how sophomoric of you.

For me, I loved to drive my wicked off-road rigs to the trail on the interstate, wheel like hell, break stuff sometimes, fix it my self or with my wheeling buddies with the parts I brought and the tools I needed and then drive back home at the end of the day. No trailer necessary and no tow pig. On occasion I would tow my off-road rigs with the proper tow pig. A diesel 1 Ton Ford Crew Cab 8’ Bed 7.3L turbo built monster and an appropriate car hauler. Towing always well within the legal tow limits. You see, experienced wheelers with well thought out rigs usually know their rigs weak points and either wheel with that in mind or are prepared for the usual axle, u-joint carnage when the right foot wins out over the brain’s loud voice telling us to back off. Funny what a crowd of people watching you climb the impossible can make that right foot do off road. ?We also are prepared for the unusual break I.e. time for some serial battery stick welding.

Since you are bowed up... let me show you some of my off toad rigs, I don’t want you to leave our humble Max Tow Love thread without a firm kick in the arse to wake you up to what you thought you knew.

No I am not in HS ?

 

[MPMB]

Rubicon owner here, but one without hate for any other trim. Just want to say the Rubicon isn't 5-12k more than a Max Tow. <snip>

Rubicon - $44,240, or 46240 with automatic
Max Tow - $43,140.
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I doubt there was one Rubicon made at the base MSRP configuration.

I saw the base price on my JTR and laughed and said to my wife, "where's all the $43k Rubicons?"

 

[MPMB]

Quick! Someone bring a tape measure!!!

 

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Rubicon owner here, but one without hate for any other trim. Just want to say the Rubicon isn't 5-12k more than a Max Tow. It's like 1100 more, maybe 3000 more, if you need the automatic, when similarly equiped. Not trying to start a flame war, because each trim serves a purpose, but the price difference just isn't that great.

Rubicon - $44,240, or 46240 with automatic
Max Tow - $43,140.
The price is about the same. It's all preference. I would have gotten a max tow, but I drive stick. And I wanted the 33s and mud tires. My trim isn't "better", and neither is yours. They are just different. Also, the Rubicon does just fine off-road.
Rubicon auto tows 6000 lbs, so it's no slouch either. Given the minimal price difference between the two, I can see why someone who needs to tow to less than 6000 (or not tow at all) would choose a Rubicon. I can also understand why someone who needs that towing capacity, would choose the Max Tow package. Different strokes for different folks. Neither is terribly inexpensive, and the Rubicon is not a whole lot more than the Sport S with Max Tow added, just different.

So you think we pay list price for a Max Tow Sport S and you paid under invoice? ? sweet what dealer was this? I’ll go grab a Rubicon JT for myself and give the MT to my daughter. ?

I bought my MT Sport S in October 2019.

My 2020 Sport S Max Tow discounted with almost every option available at the time, I paid $42,000 (list was close to $46,000)

The Rubicon I also drove and picked to compare, same dealership, same day, same sales manager with every discount they would give was a hair over $54,000 ($57,000+ List)

Both Red with heated cloth seats, black hard top, mid level stereo in my sport s MT upgraded 8.5 on Rubicon, halogen lights, black fenders, tinted front windows, no bed liner, side steps Sport S MT vs rock rails Rubicon, Sport S MT had auxiliary switches, Rubicon did not.

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$54,000-$42,000 = $12,000

Today that difference is less, but I haven’t seen the difference below $5000 for just a similarly equipped Sport S (not Max Tow, they seem to be hard to find around here like the diesel).

 

[NachoRuby]

So you think we pay list price for a Max Tow Sport S and you paid under invoice? ? sweet what dealer was this? I’ll go grab a Rubicon JT for myself and give the MT to my daughter. ?

I bought my MT Sport S in October 2019.

My 2020 Sport S Max Tow discounted with almost every option available at the time, I paid $42,000 (list was close to $46,000)

The Rubicon I also drove and picked to compare, same dealership, same day, same sales manager with every discount they would give was a hair over $54,000 ($57,000+ List)

Both Red with heated cloth seats, black hard top, mid level stereo in my sport s MT upgraded 8.5 on Rubicon, halogen lights, black fenders, tinted front windows, no bed liner, side steps Sport S MT vs rock rails Rubicon, Sport S MT had auxiliary switches, Rubicon did not.

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$54,000-$42,000 = $12,000

Today that difference is less, but I haven’t seen the difference below $5000 for just a similarly equipped Sport S (not Max Tow, they seem to be hard to find around here like the diesel).

Mine was not at list price. Nor was it 54k. Prices have decreased as the newness has worn off.

I doubt there was one Rubicon made at the base MSRP configuration.

I saw the base price on my JTR and laughed and said to my wife, "where's all the $43k Rubicons?"

So you think we pay list price for a Max Tow Sport S and you paid under invoice? ? sweet what dealer was this? I’ll go grab a Rubicon JT for myself and give the MT to my daughter. ?

I bought my MT Sport S in October 2019.

My 2020 Sport S Max Tow discounted with almost every option available at the time, I paid $42,000 (list was close to $46,000)

The Rubicon I also drove and picked to compare, same dealership, same day, same sales manager with every discount they would give was a hair over $54,000 ($57,000+ List)

Both Red with heated cloth seats, black hard top, mid level stereo in my sport s MT upgraded 8.5 on Rubicon, halogen lights, black fenders, tinted front windows, no bed liner, side steps Sport S MT vs rock rails Rubicon, Sport S MT had auxiliary switches, Rubicon did not.

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$54,000-$42,000 = $12,000

Today that difference is less, but I haven’t seen the difference below $5000 for just a similarly equipped Sport S (not Max Tow, they seem to be hard to find around here like the diesel).

Rubicons aren't selling at list price either. The pricing is very similar. That's why I actually chose the Rubicon. They had a max tow. But auto is the only choice on that package. I don't understand why. It's not impossible to make a heavy duty manual. Ram did until a couple of years ago. But I digress. They also had a Mojave, but it was also auto. I entertained buying a base Willys Sport and modding it for what I wanted. But ultimately I'm sure it's the same list of choices everyone makes. You chose what works for you. The rubicon had all the stuff I wanted already, and under warranty. My final choice was between a Willys Sport, a Willys and a Rubicon. The price between a well optioned Max Tow on the lot and and my Rubicon I chose was about $1500. They had more expensive Rubicons. But all automatic. They only had the one Max Tow on the lot. Of course a sport or sport s will be less. But Rubicons and Max Tows are priced quite similarly around here. That, along with my with my prerequisite manual transmission are why I chose the Rubicon. They really are about the same price. Max Tows aren't cheap. And they are pretty awesome too. Pretty much best in class at everything. Just wasn't the choice given what I was looking for. Obviously it's a perfect choice for many. That's why they make both. I don't need to tow 7650 lbs. The payload of 1200 lbs and towing capacity of 4500 lbs is plenty for me. But obviously, the Max Tow is perfect for those needing to haul more, or wanting that 4.1 final drive.

 

[NachoRuby]

I doubt there was one Rubicon made at the base MSRP configuration.

I saw the base price on my JTR and laughed and said to my wife, "where's all the $43k Rubicons?"

Mine was close to the base 44k. And even closer out the door. I suspect it was probably a little different when they first came out though. But now, it's not hard at all to spec a minimalist Rubicon. It's not hard to get one sub $50k. If you have it built, it's easier still.
I always laugh when people assume that all Rubicons are $60k plus. They can be. They don't have to be. You can check a lot of boxes on the other trims and drive up the price too, though. The thread is getting off topic. And I apologize. I was admiring some of the Max Tows on here. Just thought I'd chime in as things started to become us vs them. All these trucks are awesome. I like them all. Top down, doors off.

 

[XJADDICTION]

I didn’t need a Rubicon mid size truck. I would have bought one if I wanted to(and I’ve owned a 2016 Rubicon JUKUHR).

You know, a small number of you with Rubicon’s and Mojave’s (I like both models as they do look look good) have some weird need to try to prove their choice is better and “almost” the same price ? now it’s down to just over a $1000 dollar difference! ? That is total BS... and the Max Tow only comes with the auto as the manual isn’t strong enough and gears are not right for towing.

Let’s look at it this way to keep some humor in this ridiculous interruption to the Max Tow Thread. A few Rubicon and Mojave owners (just a few on here) in this forum are like ? Steve Martin in this picture... and The Max Tow , ? well is the John Candy in the picture. Surprise, we don’t care what you bought. Now go back to your respected threads, because we know those aren't two pillows.

 

[NachoRuby]

I didn’t need a Rubicon mid size truck. I would have bought one if I wanted to(and I’ve owned a 2016 Rubicon JUKUHR).

You know, a small number of you with Rubicon’s and Mojave’s (I like both models as they do look look good) have some weird need to try to prove their choice is better and “almost” the same price ? now it’s down to just over a $1000 dollar difference! ? That is total BS... and the Max Tow only comes with the auto as the manual isn’t strong enough and gears are not right for towing.

I sure wish they'd source a stronger manual. it's definitely possible. What happened to the one the HD rams used to use? There just aren't enough of us left who want to drive them. But I have nothing to prove. But you must realize the pricing between the two trims can overlap tremendously. They are comparable trims for two different kinds of buyer. Buy one with a hard top and the other with a soft top. Or buy one with the upgraded sound system, and the price will overlap. Enjoy your Max Tow, I'm sure you will, I'll enjoy mine too. If we pass each other, you'll get a wave. As I said before, I'm not saying a Rubicon is better or worse than what anyone else is driving. That's why they make both. I'm amazed at how much hate there is here between different trims of the same vehicle. I'm sure we can both agree on that.

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