Jeep ceo…. Wants zero emission freedom brand

[TheSolarWizard]

We did for many years in our last house. This one will get it within a year or so.

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[Dan in Pasadena]

....It will be a sad day when when finally shut down our blast furnaces and cokeovens

Actually, it'll be a banner day for improving the environment.

Humans cannot go on forever doing whatever they want that pollutes the water, air & soil, destroys animal habitats like forests, deserts, natural areas. There is simply a finite amount of these three and the faster we use them and/or pollute them which BOTH eventually destroys them then there is less for ourselves and a shorter future for us all.

Yeah, you can call me names, i.e. tree hugger, etc. Name calling is the last refuge of those who have no cogent argument. It's simply fact that things have change DRAMATICALLY in just my short 67 years of life so I can imagine what it would seem to someone who might have been around 100 or 200 years ago. They wouldn't recognize the world's condition. And 100 or 200 years is a microsecond of history.

 

[CMac]

Where does all this electricity come from?

Same magical place that the us treasury money comes from...?

 

[am1978]

We did for many years in our last house. This one will get it within a year or so.

Cool. Was it grid-tied or off-grid with your own battery bank?

 

[am1978]

Actually, it'll be a banner day for improving the environment.

Humans cannot go on forever doing whatever they want that pollutes the water, air & soil, destroys animal habitats like forests, deserts, natural areas. There is simply a finite amount of these three and the faster we use them and/or pollute them which BOTH eventually destroys them then there is less for ourselves and a shorter future for us all.

Yeah, you can call me names, i.e. tree hugger, etc. Name calling is the last refuge of those who have no cogent argument. It's simply fact that things have change DRAMATICALLY in just my short 67 years of life so I can imagine what it would seem to someone who might have been around 100 or 200 years ago. They wouldn't recognize the world's condition. And 100 or 200 years is a microsecond of history.

And the mining of those battery materials doesn’t do all the terrible things you cited above? Petroleum and other natural resources will still be needed for materials and production of an EV. [edited for iPhone autocorrect typos]

 

[redrider]

We have had lithium batteries for over 10 years and the cold weather performance has not improved without stop gap measures like preheating with mats or cycling a load on them. I see it as a scene from Wizard of Oz when the curtain is pulled back, revealing the real wizard. I suspect a lot of folks drink the Green Kool Aid without understanding the means taken to get to the end result. The manufacturers do not give a damn about the environment or us. They only see money and that is the only green imprtant to them.

 

[Dan in Pasadena]

And the mining of those batter my materials don’t do all the terrible things you cited above? Petroleum and other natural resources will still be needed for materials and production of an EV.

All true to a degree but electric vehicles and the production of them is about equivalent to an early Ford relative to the research and production of the current internal combustion engine. I mean the propulsion components and parts.

Those original cars didn't have hydraulic brakes, electric starters, radial tires, and on and on. Electric vehicle development will (already has!) change by leaps and bounds in the next couple decades. All in due time, Grasshopper!

 

[RavensEyeOffroad]

So your daily round trip driving exceeds 200 miles?

no i hardly put any miles on it. I am the perfect target audience for an electric vehicle. But I also know that this whole thing is suspect as hell. Oh whaddaya know, "someone" killed off energy independence now want to push/mandate EV nonsense while their families are in charge of energy companies, now china is going after the big ole lithium supplies. How many rolling blackouts were there last summer across just texas? Now add 100 million electric cars to the mix. Its stupid. You think China is playing by all these green save the world rules or just making sure everyone else is?
The whole thing is a ruse and im surprised more people dont see it.

 

[Trickster]

Just fix charging times or make the range ungodly far before needing a charge. As an engineer that works in energy and studied petroleum engineering, I still don’t give a rats ass where the energy is coming from as long as it isn’t open quarry coal mining sources.

All energy sources destroy something. There’s nothing magical about any of them. Which one has the most effectiveness to destruction ratio is the only thing that matters. How you figure that out, I have no damn idea so I’m not wasting breath or time on it.

Jeep has to do what they have to do to stay modern and marketable. If that means full electric then so be it. They’ll figure out a way to get better charging times and range, I’m sure of it. Don’t sleep on those genius guys and gals designing these products.

That big FREE source up in the sky can do it. It’s all about storing its energy to be used when required. Solid state batteries are going to change this EV market in the very near future, and when they do these lithium products will be only worth pennies on the dollar…..Then there are those wind turbines, which again uses a free source of energy again putting power in the antiquated grid.
As a petroleum engineer you may be oblivious to these sources?

 

[Barbarian]

So im curios how all electric vehicles cope with sitting 15 hours in a snowstorm on the grapevine? How do they heat the passenger compartment? On a secondary note drive through a wind farm and count how many actually are working? Should be illuminating or Darkening depending on your original perspective!

 

[BowlofSoup]

Anyone else see this as a downfall, cuz I do.

I may have purchase my last Jeep


https://abcnews.go.com/Business/cool-green-jeep-ceo-transforming-80-year-brand/story?id=81960686

Please get out of the new one if you can't lend a hand.

Times change. The technology will get there. Evolve or die

 

[WILDHOBO]

no i hardly put any miles on it. I am the perfect target audience for an electric vehicle. But I also know that this whole thing is suspect as hell. Oh whaddaya know, "someone" killed off energy independence now want to push/mandate EV nonsense while their families are in charge of energy companies, now china is going after the big ole lithium supplies. How many rolling blackouts were there last summer across just texas? Now add 100 million electric cars to the mix. Its stupid. You think China is playing by all these green save the world rules or just making sure everyone else is?
The whole thing is a ruse and im surprised more people dont see it.

I’m surprised you don’t see how silly your arguments are. You think texas’ power problems are anyone’s fault but Texas voters? They have an unregulated grid, and the results are clear as day. You also really latch onto how china is somehow the argument for not improving things. Nonsensical at best. When steam and then internal combustion engines were invented, and there were only a few on the roads, people on horses laughed at them because it was never going to take off mainstream. How many people do you see rolling down interstates on horses? I like it when history repeats itself, sometimes.

 

[Jakeyou]

I see it as a win and look forward to a more powerful, electric based Jeep. I'm not afraid of change.

Electric vehicles tested only lost about 12 percent of range in the cold while running with their heaters switched off, compared to 41 percent with the climate control

 

[RavensEyeOffroad]

I’m surprised you don’t see how silly your arguments are. You think texas’ power problems are anyone’s fault but Texas voters? They have an unregulated grid, and the results are clear as day. You also really latch onto how china is somehow the argument for not improving things. Nonsensical at best. When steam and then internal combustion engines were invented, and there were only a few on the roads, people on horses laughed at them because it was never going to take off mainstream. How many people do you see rolling down interstates on horses? I like it when history repeats itself, sometimes.

lol ok man.

 

[DailyMoparGuy]

That big FREE source up in the sky can do it. It’s all about storing its energy to be used when required. Solid state batteries are going to change this EV market in the very near future, and when they do these lithium products will be only worth pennies on the dollar…..Then there are those wind turbines, which again uses a free source of energy again putting power in the antiquated grid.
As a petroleum engineer you may be oblivious to these sources?

Not oblivious but relatively uneducated. I have a degree in petroleum engineering but am surely no expert. I work in Natural Gas Utilities, but again not an expert at this point in my career. So I can’t claim to much of anything about solving the world’s energy problem. It’s much more complicated than anyone on this forum can figure out, I assure that.

As for solar and wind, they’re great but again they come at a cost as ANY energy source does. Thermodynamics is one son of a bitch. The materials for batteries, solar panels, wind turbines…they don’t just appear. They have to be mined, which means a terrain has to be stripped and disturbed, which means a human has to do the hard work. A lot of the sources required for these materials are not mined in favorable workplace environments. Companies outsource production to impoverished corners of the world and exploit the workers for cheap costs (the new American dream lol).

No such thing as free or conscience free energy my friend. The laws of thermodynamics simply do not allow it. If there is, we as a human race are far far far from figuring it out.

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