Jeep ceo…. Wants zero emission freedom brand

[Trickster]

Yes.

Feel better? ?

Sponsored

 

[Falcor]

Leasing drops your payment, but if you buy an EV, you get a huge tax credit. Depending on make and model, you can get up to $7,500 back federally. Then many states provide more. EV purchases in CO got an additional $2,500 in 2021. That’s 10k off the purchase price.

Just an FYI if it wasn’t mentioned, Chrysler Capital applies that $7500 to the lease up front. Walter @ Gupton confirmed that for me on the 4xe a few weeks ago. So, that would take the lease payment down quite a bit.

 

[WILDHOBO]

Just an FYI if it wasn’t mentioned, Chrysler Capital applies that $7500 to the lease up front. Walter @ Gupton confirmed that for me on the 4xe a few weeks ago. So, that would take the lease payment down quite a bit.

Absolutely correct. All makers of EV’s do the same if it’s leased.

 

[Orange01z28]

Check out the rivian videos. Pretty impressive.

Until it needs a charge

 

[Orange01z28]

LOL the 4xE is more capable off-road than the other lines.

First, it still has a gas engine to save it

Secondly, i should have clarified by saying a mutli-day trip

 

[Stratus109]

Would I take an electric vehicle out on the trails? Absolutely not.

Would I pick one up for my daily driver? In a heartbeat.

Sometimes you need a hammer, sometimes you need a wrench. Ive been looking for a decent deal on an EV for 6 months now, to save miles / gas money / extend the life of my JT. If I could pick up another Jeep to fill that need, that would be sweet.

I could lease an EV for the same cost as my current monthly gas bill for the JT. Id be much happier if that money was going towards a commuter with lower maintenance that would also dramatically extend the life of my JT.

That all works out until you see your cost to insure the ev and your electric bill. Oh and by the way have fun installing a 60-90 amp circuit in yr garage if youbdont want to wait 12 hours to charge. Oh and by the way you cant park it in the garage and charge at same time for fear of a lithium fire. Oh and by the way imagine every person on your block for miles pulling the same current as they charge overnight while its summer time and everyone has their a/c on. Ever hear of brown outs? Electric cars are a meme. Where does everyone think all this electricity to fuel this is coming from? If you think renewable you are dead wrong. Oh and. By the way- Where is all the toxic lithium to be mined for the precious batteries? Who are the top producers of lithium and battery manufacturing? Ask these questions to yourself. All you pro EV people are well off for the most part. But you think people who make 20k a year and live in an apartment complex are going ev???

 

[WILDHOBO]

That all works out until you see your cost to insure the ev and your electric bill. Oh and by the way have fun installing a 60-90 amp circuit in yr garage if youbdont want to wait 12 hours to charge. Oh and by the way you cant park it in the garage and charge at same time for fear of a lithium fire. Oh and by the way imagine every person on your block for miles pulling the same current as they charge overnight while its summer time and everyone has their a/c on. Ever hear of brown outs? Electric cars are a meme. Where does everyone think all this electricity to fuel this is coming from? If you think renewable you are dead wrong. Oh and. By the way- Where is all the toxic lithium to be mined for the precious batteries? Who are the top producers of lithium and battery manufacturing? Ask these questions to yourself. All you pro EV people are well off for the most part. But you think people who make 20k a year and live in an apartment complex are going ev???

You know it’s a 40amp circuit, right? That’s the same size as an oven or a dryer. And with the tax credit, most EVs cost what a normal car does. Not Tesla. Not luxury cars, like most gladiators btw. We’re on a forum full of people with 50k plus mid sized trucks that no one needs. They’re fun and expensive. And that’s before the mods. An EV would save us money in comparison. And apartment complexes are not the difficult thing some people assume they are. If you’re looking for reasons to avoid something, you can always make things up to justify it. And yes, you can park it in your garage. Have there been a few problems? Sure, but there were with ICE when they were new as well. Many makers are actually delaying larger batteries until the source is from sustainable mining practices. Volvo for example could have added larger batteries for larger ranges two model years ago, but delayed until mid year 2022 until the lithium was available from a sustainable source. Willl challenges exist? Of course, but we’re pretty good as a species at solving them. The problem is people who don’t want change. That slows things down for no logical reason. Your post proves that you’ve got very little knowledge about EVs.

 

[Stratus109]

You know it’s a 40amp circuit, right? That’s the same size as an oven or a dryer. And with the tax credit, most EVs cost what a normal car does. Not Tesla. Not luxury cars, like most gladiators btw. We’re on a forum full of people with 50k plus mid sized trucks that no one needs. They’re fun and expensive. And that’s before the mods. An EV would save us money in comparison. And apartment complexes are not the difficult thing some people assume they are. If you’re looking for reasons to avoid something, you can always make things up to justify it. And yes, you can park it in your garage. Have there been a few problems? Sure, but there were with ICE when they were new as well. Many makers are actually delaying larger batteries until the source is from sustainable mining practices. Volvo for example could have added larger batteries for larger ranges two model years ago, but delayed until mid year 2022 until the lithium was available from a sustainable source. Willl challenges exist? Of course, but we’re pretty good as a species at solving them. The problem is people who don’t want change. That slows things down for no logical reason. Your post proves that you’ve got very little knowledge about EVs.

Tap dance around it all ya like- Its a 240v 40-80 amp for STARTERS dont lie. This will not supply full fast charging. Its more like running 2 dryers. Have you forgotten about your spouse? Imagine running 2 40-90 amp 220 volt circuits in parallel ( massively dangerous) while heating/ cooling a home. How is this “saving money” again? See this is where the EV argument fails… Saving money ??? Not really. Your cost to insure the vehicle is a lot higher because of the fire hazard, most of these policy require extra underwriting due to existing structure fires as a result of lithium over charging. Do you know about the dangers of charging lithium batteries under the temp of 30 degrees?
Because a tax credit? They already said they will tax by the mile as you drive so that goes away quick after you fell for it. My electric bill is already high without EV charging. Your bill will be 650 to 1000+ a month if you commute 25-40 miles a day. And dont say “ current gas prices” because they are artificially inflated by the current regime”. Everyone on your block jacking a 300amp @480 volts to make your dream work. Horrible idea. At that point nuclear would be the only way to satisfy that and even then the current i frastructure lines , sub stations etc would in no way be able to supply that. Oh we havent even touched on the loss that occurs sending current long distances yet making it even less efficient.

 

[RavensEyeOffroad]

Its a 220v 40 amp will not supply full fast charging. Its more like running 2 dryers. Have you forgotten about your spouse? Imagine running 2 40-90 amp 220 volt circuits in parallel ( massively dangerous) while heating/ cooling a home. How is this “saving money” again?

you just need 3 windmills and your entire yard covered in solar panels, itll be fine.

 

[WILDHOBO]

Tap dance around it all ya like- Its a 240v 40-80 amp for STARTERS dont lie. This will not supply full fast charging. Its more like running 2 dryers. Have you forgotten about your spouse? Imagine running 2 40-90 amp 220 volt circuits in parallel ( massively dangerous) while heating/ cooling a home. How is this “saving money” again? See this is where the EV argument fails… Saving money ??? Not really. Your cost to insure the vehicle is a lot higher because of the fire hazard, most of these policy require extra underwriting due to existing structure fires as a result of lithium over charging. Do you know about the dangers of charging lithium batteries under the temp of 30 degrees?
Because a tax credit? They already said they will tax by the mile as you drive so that goes away quick after you fell for it. My electric bill is already high without EV charging. Your bill will be 650 to 1000+ a month if you commute 25-40 miles a day. And dont say “ current gas prices” because they are artificially inflated by the current regime”. Everyone on your block jacking a 300amp @480 volts to make your dream work. Horrible idea. At that point nuclear would be the only way to satisfy that and even then the current i frastructure lines , sub stations etc would in no way be able to supply that. Oh we havent even touched on the loss that occurs sending current long distances yet making it even less efficient.

Wow. We’re on our 5th plug-in, so know a thing or two about them. We’ve yet to explode, and each EV adds an average of $20-40 of electric bill. How much do you spend on gas or diesel per month at $50 per fill up or more? You’re spouting nonsense. It also seems like you’re not very knowledgeable about single phase A/C power. It’s not 40-90. It’s 40 for level 2. Period. That’s 8awg wire from your panel and a charger that costs around $500 or less. Average houses have a 200amp circuit. It’s easy, and safe, to dry your clothes, charge your car, and cook your dinner. Wow, only 120amps so far. And still plenty for all the small stuff that use a few amps each.
Spouting garbage and finding some obscure Tesla graphic doesn’t deter people with common sense. They see through it easily.

 

[Trickster]

That all works out until you see your cost to insure the ev and your electric bill. Oh and by the way have fun installing a 60-90 amp circuit in yr garage if youbdont want to wait 12 hours to charge. Oh and by the way you cant park it in the garage and charge at same time for fear of a lithium fire. Oh and by the way imagine every person on your block for miles pulling the same current as they charge overnight while its summer time and everyone has their a/c on. Ever hear of brown outs? Electric cars are a meme. Where does everyone think all this electricity to fuel this is coming from? If you think renewable you are dead wrong. Oh and. By the way- Where is all the toxic lithium to be mined for the precious batteries? Who are the top producers of lithium and battery manufacturing? Ask these questions to yourself. All you pro EV people are well off for the most part. But you think people who make 20k a year and live in an apartment complex are going ev???

Think outside the box my friend.
It’s real and it’s happening.
“Pro EV people are well off for the most part”
What?
You know this how?

With silly statements like that you lose your credibility in whatever your arguments are.

 

[jac04]

Imagine a future where all EV and green energy issues have been solved. We're 100% renewables for electricity generation and all cars are electric.

Let me be the first to predict what is eventually coming - GLOBAL COOLING!!

 

[NachoRuby]

And apartment complexes are not the difficult thing some people assume they are

So, I'm not anti ev at all, but apartment complexes are a problem, and street side parking in regular houses too for now. When I lived in an apartment, I had to park on the side of the road, and not in lined parking spots with meters. Just on the side of the road, barely out of the way of traffic. It will be a long time before side street curb parking is ready for ev charging in middle of nowhere America. I think charging for those using curbside will be the biggest need for infrastructure. I'm not talking lined parallel spots in the city, but I'm talking small town America, both main street and side streets. It has to happen though.

 

[redriderjf87]

Let me be the first to predict what is eventually coming - GLOBAL COOLING!!

That will probably happen at some point regardless.

 

[Gladman]

That will probably happen at some point regardless.

It was predicted 10 years ago by a geology professor at Simon Fraser U and, coincidentally thatyear by several Russian university climate researchers that we would have a major cooling period in the timeframe of 2022 - 2036. The geology was based on ice core samples that enabled predictions.
Will it happen? I don’t know, but the research was credible so it is distinctly possible.

Sponsored