Jeep ceo…. Wants zero emission freedom brand

[Trickster]

Not an illusion but a blight on the planet nevertheless. And no, manufacturing these is not green. How do I know? 47 years worked in the mining and oil industries.

Who said manufacturing them was green?
I think the blight of smog hanging over the skylines of cities is a little bit more of an issue than windmills in the ocean.
But it appears that I am fighting an uphill battle with most on this thread about the reality of pollution from fossil fuels.
Which is okay because I am a hypocrite by driving 3 different gassers.

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[WILDHOBO]

Who said manufacturing them was green?
I think the blight of smog hanging over the skylines of cities is a little bit more of an issue than windmills in the ocean.
But it appears that I am fighting an uphill battle with most on this thread about the reality of pollution from fossil fuels.
Which is okay because I am a hypocrite by driving 3 different gassers.

It’s an uphill battle with the few that aren’t actually interested, and aren’t listening. Some are though. I’d much rather see wind turbines if I were the planet. And putting them offshore uses space not occupied for structures. I bet the whales like an area they can swim without ships striking them.

 

[Gladman]

No, dude no one I know of is attacking your viewpoint. As issues arise through posts, people comment on them. Some get carried away with vitriol, however they are a minority.

And to answer your post, I agree no one said manufacturing windmills was green. But that is the point. The vast majority of green energy supporters give no thought to how a windmill got there, what went into producing, installing, and maintaining the structure.

Same with solar panels. No consideration given by a segment of the green crowd as to what goes into producing them, and even worse, that there is no known technology to recycle them. So millions of square acres of panels need to hit the dump at some point.

My personal point of view on green comes down to 1 product in the market on every grocery store shelf. Non-recyclable and filling our landfills at an incredible rate. Violent green supporters have no issue with this product despite having a 400 year decomposition rate even after it has served its purpose. What is it? Disposable diapers.

When the .gov and regulators outlaw the disposable diaper products then and only then will I take the green movement seriously.
But, that‘s just me.

 

[WILDHOBO]

No, dude no one I know of is attacking your viewpoint. As issues arise through posts, people comment on them. Some get carried away with vitriol, however they are a minority.

And to answer your post, I agree no one said manufacturing windmills was green. But that is the point. The vast majority of green energy supporters give no thought to how a windmill got there, what went into producing, installing, and maintaining the structure.

Same with solar panels. No consideration given by a segment of the green crowd as to what goes into producing them, and even worse, that there is no known technology to recycle them. So millions of square acres of panels need to hit the dump at some point.

My personal point of view on green comes down to 1 product in the market on every grocery store shelf. Non-recyclable and filling our landfills at an incredible rate. Violent green supporters have no issue with this product despite having a 400 year decomposition rate even after it has served its purpose. What is it? Disposable diapers.

When the .gov and regulators outlaw the disposable diaper products then and only then will I take the green movement seriously.
But, that‘s just me.

We actually used bamboo diapers for our kids. They decompose faster and come from a sustainable source. The problem with them selling to everyone is that they are expensive. Millions of people can barely afford the cheapest diapers, if they can at all.

 

[Gladman]

We actually used bamboo diapers for our kids. They decompose faster and come from a sustainable source. The problem with them selling to everyone is that they are expensive. Millions of people can barely afford the cheapest diapers, if they can at all.

Strange to me that they are really expensive. I buy bamboo dish wash cloths that come in a roll of 40 and that roll costs $4.00. Now, certainly there is more manufacturing to make a diaper, but that roll could likely make 10 diapers for newborns.
A roll of 40 has usage for me at about 1 per month, so a roll will certainly last 30 months.

A further point is what to do if you can’t afford the disposable? Well, you use cloth, which is recyclable (washable). Problem is no one wants to go there because it is work and takes time.
Also, with the child credits and supplements that our .gov hands out every month there should be no reason for people to say they can’t afford them, other that poor money management. $600.00 a month in cash from our fed .gov for each child under 3 buys a lot of diapers.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Well, you use cloth, which is recyclable (washable). Problem is no one wants to go there because it is work and takes time.

Some say not as good for baby's skin, either - and the detergents used to wash them, etc.
No good solution other than - don't have kids?

But that is the point. The vast majority of green energy supporters give no thought to how a windmill got there, what went into producing, installing, and maintaining the structure.

I do - they were made not far from me........ DMACC has a school for maintaining them........ I've been through the displays at the fair........

 

[WILDHOBO]

Strange to me that they are really expensive. I buy bamboo dish wash cloths that come in a roll of 40 and that roll costs $4.00. Now, certainly there is more manufacturing to make a diaper, but that roll could likely make 10 diapers for newborns.
A roll of 40 has usage for me at about 1 per month, so a roll will certainly last 30 months.

A further point is what to do if you can’t afford the disposable? Well, you use cloth, which is recyclable (washable). Problem is no one wants to go there because it is work and takes time.
Also, with the child credits and supplements that our .gov hands out every month there should be no reason for people to say they can’t afford them, other that poor money management. $600.00 a month in cash from our fed .gov for each child under 3 buys a lot of diapers.

You clearly don’t know how much it costs to have a child and a job. In my area, childcare per child is $1,500 per month. Formula costs around $2,000 annually per child. And before you bring up formula controversies, very few women have jobs where they’d be able or allowed to take time to pump. Sustainable bamboo diapers are around $75 for 180 count. Infants go through 8-12 daily. Add in health insurance for the children, or worse, cash pay to take infants to the doctor. While cloth diapers sound like a solution, they need to be washed. People receiving subsidies likely don’t own washers and dryers. Also, the number of disposables you’d need to have enough clean ones for a few days is 36 per child. And that only works if you can go to a laundromat every three days. The people you’re describing have multiple jobs and work 7 days per week. How big does that $600 sound now? Even if the people you’re describing made 36k per year, and that’s high, childcare for 2 kids alone evaporates their income, before taxes. That $600 won’t even get close to paying for the rest. Now peoples choices are to not work and stay home, with no job or income to care for the kids, or work, and have literally nothing left.

 

[BAT]

So because there were none in Belgium, must mean the ones in the Atlantic don’t exist?

I am not your “man” or an EV shill and speak for myself.
But go ahead and assume if it makes you feel good.

Guess these windmills must be an illusion?

That is what they planning on doing off the coast of New York, Viginia and recently heard talk doing same off coast of Louisiana although many of the folks in South Louisiana do not want it from those I have talked to. Its just another man-made disaster to them

 

[WILDHOBO]

That is what they planning on doing off the coast of New York, Viginia and recently heard talk doing same off coast of Louisiana although many of the folks in South Louisiana do not want it from those I have talked to. Its just another man-made disaster to them

Can’t wait to see them installed. I’ll take one in my front yard.

 

[Blknblu]

I am good with EV's but worry about the technology surge from the day you purchase one and 6 months later they double the mileage and so on and so on. in 5 years one owns a boat anchor that is worthless.

Bruce

 

[Maximus Gladius]

I can see us working on our electric Jeeps. Should be easy they said.

 

[Maximus Gladius]

How much emissions do we think it will take to make the vehicle and mine the materials for the batteries. Where do all those batteries go when they die?

 

[Gladman]

You clearly don’t know how much it costs to have a child and a job. In my area, childcare per child is $1,500 per month. Formula costs around $2,000 annually per child. And before you bring up formula controversies, very few women have jobs where they’d be able or allowed to take time to pump. Sustainable bamboo diapers are around $75 for 180 count. Infants go through 8-12 daily. Add in health insurance for the children, or worse, cash pay to take infants to the doctor. While cloth diapers sound like a solution, they need to be washed. People receiving subsidies likely don’t own washers and dryers. Also, the number of disposables you’d need to have enough clean ones for a few days is 36 per child. And that only works if you can go to a laundromat every three days. The people you’re describing have multiple jobs and work 7 days per week. How big does that $600 sound now? Even if the people you’re describing made 36k per year, and that’s high, childcare for 2 kids alone evaporates their income, before taxes. That $600 won’t even get close to paying for the rest. Now peoples choices are to not work and stay home, with no job or income to care for the kids, or work, and have literally nothing left.

Well, I don’t think the idea of subsidies was to cover the entire costs of raising a child. These subsidies come from tax payers, ultimately, and my position has always been that if someone can’t afford to pay to raise a child then then don’t have them. I know to some that may sound harsh, but socialism is not the answer - it is just a scheme to redistribute income and buy votes.

But this is clearly off topic now so I’ll get back to discussion on electrification.

 

[DirkG]

I haven't come close to reading all of the responses here, but electrification is where the industry is going. Jeep/Stellantis better go that way or prepare to be the next Oldsmobile.

I'm not a green guy by any means, but I can read the industry terrain and Tesla has changed the game for all parties involved. That goes for dealerships to manufacturing to consumers who don't have to commute to work any longer because they work from home.

If Stellantis can build me a better Gladiator, I'm all for it. If it's powered by electricity. Sure. If it's powered by hamsters, bring it on.

 

[WILDHOBO]

Well, I don’t think the idea of subsidies was to cover the entire costs of raising a child. These subsidies come from tax payers, ultimately, and my position has always been that if someone can’t afford to pay to raise a child then then don’t have them. I know to some that may sound harsh, but socialism is not the answer - it is just a scheme to redistribute income and buy votes.

But this is clearly off topic now so I’ll get back to discussion on electrification.

Your responses regarding this are uninformed and offensive. Why don’t you stick to talking about Jeeps. I’m done responding to you. If you continue this volley, you’ll be alone.

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