Confirmed: 2020 Jeep Gladiator (JT) gets 3.0L diesel, hard/soft tops, longer frame, beefier axles

[Hokieneer]

Can't come fast enough!

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[TXmotoXGuy]

With each update it's seeming like a four door Gladiator will be my next vehicle - the last deal breaker is if a manual will be available . Seems that Jeep is en route to create another amazing vehicle.

 

[wooderson]

Yep it's shaping up nicely. I'ld like to hear some tow numbers but that's about it. I wonder if they will price it to compete with the Colorado?

 

[rcpd34]

I'm in. I was all set to buy a Duramax Colorado tomorrow. I'm thinking maybe I'll wait...

 

[T.K.]

My ranger has to make one more year, than look out as this jt will take it's place.

 

[AgingTJ]

Based on the frame drawings it looks like it shouldn't be too hard to bob the bed for those that want to do that. I wonder about the legality of doing so though as it would require the removal of the rear crumple zone. This is something I might want to do

Edit: I can't find anything that would make it illegal so...

 

[dano0726]

Now if we can only get Sahara Tan and Rescue Green as MY2019 paint colors........

 

[Bigstein]

Oh man, Sahara Tan and a set of white steel wheels. Add a custom Gobi rack and make my own version of the Africa concept Jeep from a couple years ago. I am stoked and ready to get this thing bought.

 

[TxTravisty]

Found this write up and it makes me feel a little more comfortable about the extra cost of the 3.0 L diesel.

A few hundred miles into my road trip with our long-term 2014 Ram 1500 EcoDiesel, the truck's DEF needle dipped into the red. So somewhere between Roswell, New Mexico and Austin, I stopped at a big travel center/truck stop/gas station that had DEF on tap.

DEF was $2.80 per gallon at this station which is on par with the national average. For reference, the next-cheapest DEF purchase we've made was when we bought three 2.5-gallon containers from Amazon.com for $33. That works out to $4.40 per gallon. Clearly, it pays to find this stuff at the pump.

With that fill, we had added DEF to the Ram seven times over the last year. Here's a breakdown:

Date - Mileage - Gallons - Cost - Per Gal

07/09/2014 - 5,542 - 1 - $7.55 - $7.55

07/11/2014 - 5,760 - 4.5 - $21.00 - $4.67

08/11/2014 - 8,975 - 6 - $58.50 - $9.75

10/25/2014 - 15,748 - 7.5 - $33.00 - $4.40

11/30/2014 - 21,083 - 6 - $40.47 - $6.75

03/18/2015 - 27,941 - 7.5 - $35.91 - $4.79

07/26/2015 - 36,363 - 6.275 - $17.56 - $2.80

Over 36,363 miles, the Ram has consumed 38.775 gallons of DEF. Since the last fill-up, we've averaged 1,342.1 mpg with DEF and the lifetime average now stands at 937.8 mpg. In other words, we are using about 10.6 gallons of DEF every 10,000 miles.

If we'd done every DEF fill at this pump with a price of $2.80 per gallon, our lifetime DEF cost at 36,363 miles would be $108.57. As it stands, we've spent $213.99. Not a life-altering difference by most standards, but definitely a gap. With these numbers in hand, I started wondering what the cost difference between our diesel-powered Ram and the two available gasoline-powered engines would be.

When I filled up on DEF, the Ram's lifetime average for fuel economy was 22.4 mpg, compared to its EPA-combined rating of 22 mpg. So for the purposes of this comparison, we'll say that the fuel economy for all three Ram powertrains hypothetically match the EPA's numbers. With four-wheel drive, the 3.6-liter and 5.7-liter gasoline engines are rated at 19 mpg combined and 15 mpg combined, respectively.

The current national average for diesel fuel is $2.61 and the national average for standard gasoline is $2.62. With those prices, here's what that fuel cost would be for each powertrain over 40,000 miles.

Ram 4WD 3.0-L Diesel V6: $4,745.45*
Ram 4WD 3.6-L V6: $5,515.78
Ram 4WD 5.7-L V8: $6,986.66

So the last thing here is to add our DEF costs ($213.99) to our diesel costs, which brings our long-term Ram's total to $4,959.54 ($4,854.02 if we'd bought all our DEF at the pump). I'll concede that there are several other factors at play here including tow ratings, upfront cost difference, maintenance and the (in)convenience of finding diesel fuel, but they just aren't big enough issues to scare me off this excellent powertrain.

 

[The Great Grape Ape]

Where's the reference to that write-up? The links to edmunds don't have those prices/costs in them.

The fuel prices don't reflect the national average at all despite the recent uptick that hit regular harder than diesel after Harvey, diesel is still almost 10% more expensive and has been consistently for years.
https://www.eia.gov/petroleum/gasdiesel/

Specifically looking at the periods of those fill-ups in 2014-15, diesel was still about 10-15% more per gallon than regular gasoline on a national average.

It also doesn't include the more expensive oil changes, oil and fuel filter changes, etc.

Would be nice to have realistic testing, with verifiable data not something with discounted DEF cheaper than Amazon, and obviously abnormal diesel/gasoline pricing or reporting.

 

[TxTravisty]

Before the hurricane diesel here in South Texas was as low as $2.02 a gallon, now I have seen it a valero @ $2.23 a gallon.
The truck stop next to my work had DEF yesterday for $2.98 a gallon as well.

 

[TxTravisty]

I just double check gas buddy app and desiel is the exact same price as regular gas in my location, lowest is now $2.29, average is $2.39 per gallon at all the local locations for both.

 

[The Great Grape Ape]

Your link goes to "page not found"

And before the hurricane diesel here in South Texas was as low as $2.02 a gallon, now I have seen it a valero @ $2.23 a gallon.

Well then as someone in an oil-rich region, like myself, even if you're not directly involved in production, you should know that Texas prices don't reflect the "national average" stated in the information you posted, and is a distortion of the facts, either willfuly to cook the numbers or through poor analysis, both of which discount the piece.

In fact, data for those "national average" prices (both current and historical) are available at that link above. They show a typical 10%+ premium for diesel. Again this is all easily verifiable from industry standard government data, so there's no question that that original statement from the author/article was at least misleading, if not knowingly deceptive.

As for DEF it's likely similarly distorted.

 

[The Great Grape Ape]

US National Average fuel prices for those dates. Diesel is on the Left, Regular Gasoline is on the Right.
Current US prices which clearly show how 'not-average' Texas prices are, are in the link above.
Seems pretty clear that that article is definitely not what the 'average' user will experience then, now, or in the future.

 

[TxTravisty]

2014 Ram 1500 - Edmunds Road Test

https://www.edmunds.com/ram/1500/2014/long-term-road-test/mpg.html

Here is a better link, sorry the other one would not open. The article is from edmunds, and he is doing on going testing... I just posted stating my personal feeling towards purching the 3.0 Lt turbo were more at ease after reading this article. I was not making a case or arguing national average, due to the prices in the article being close to what they are here now currently in Texas. I was just passing along info. I did need see shared yet. Sorry if there was some confusion

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