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OK, just making sure people had the facts, as whomever wrote the article(s) made those glaring mistakes, especially using a term like "national average", and if people make their purchasing choices based on that, and later found out their experience didn't match the article, then that would be unfortunate.
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Also checking the EPA numbers, those are for the the 6-speed 4x4 Hemi numbers (15MPG combined)... not the 8-speed Hemi 4x4 numbers (17MPG combined) versus the Ecodiesel 8-speed 4x4, so again not quite equal setups.

A little sketchy that both the MPG and Fuel Price numbers are off in ways that only favour the one option. :movember:
 

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Where's the reference to that write-up? The links to edmunds don't have those prices/costs in them.

The fuel prices don't reflect the national average at all despite the recent uptick that hit regular harder than diesel after Harvey, diesel is still almost 10% more expensive and has been consistently for years.
https://www.eia.gov/petroleum/gasdiesel/
Ape here is the link to DEF break down that TxTravisty posted: https://www.edmunds.com/ram/1500/20...m-1500-ecodiesel-adding-and-tracking-def.html

As its a sub-link of the article he posted. Also like him Diesel here in Idaho is = to Unleaded for the most part and sometimes less.

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Again, when an author or poster says "National Average" it's something that is easy to check, and posting your local station doesn't negate that statement.

Even in your example Vegas, the lowesr price for Regular is 2.77 and the lowest price for diesel is 2.79.
I can get agricultural gasoline for much cheaper than the average person pays for their gasoline, but I would not use that in a discussion of prices, nor would I claim "national average" based on my personal/regional situation.

For your example why don't you include Boise's Costco and Walmart gasoline prices in your area? Is that because they aren't as complimentary to your argument with regular @ 2.71 and 2.73 for those outlets?

As they are price setters, and conveniently located @ the junction of i84 and 184 they likely each sell more fuel than many other locations combined. And they change that low end of the price dynamic significantly.

The national averages are show above, and consistent. Either use those figure or else don't claim to be doing so, and outline your regional bias in the article.

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Remove the 2 center black sections and bring the front and rear sections together = 2 door frame?
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Again, when an author or poster says "National Average" it's something that is easy to check, and posting your local station doesn't negate that statement.

Even in your example Vegas, the lowesr price for Regular is 2.77 and the lowest price for diesel is 2.79.
I can get agricultural gasoline for much cheaper than the average person pays for their gasoline, but I would not use that in a discussion of prices, nor would I claim "national average" based on my personal/regional situation.

For your example why don't you include Boise's Costco and Walmart gasoline prices in your area? Is that because they aren't as complimentary to your argument with regular @ 2.71 and 2.73 for those outlets?

As they are price setters, and conveniently located @ the junction of i84 and 184 they likely each sell more fuel than many other locations combined. And they change that low end of the price dynamic significantly.

The national averages are show above, and consistent. Either use those figure or else don't claim to be doing so, and outline your regional bias in the article.

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Because I live in Meridian and not Boise the app pulled up the (3) closest stations to me which I posted. I posted (3) too to show I wasn't just picking the cheapest.

Also I would never post Costco as an example as those prices are only for Costco members.

As for national average I could careless as I pay local prices thats all that important to me and anyone else buying. What does it matter to me what prices are in CA or NY? I don't have to pay their gas taxes so I would never look at their prices. Same with TxTravisty why would he care what people pay outside Texas since he lives there. Here in the U.S. gas prices range mostly due to local state taxes.
 

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Also I would never post Costco as an example as those prices are only for Costco members.
And Wlmart is for everyone and there are two of them within a mile at that 2.73 price vs diesel's 2.79, and like Costco they probably acount for more gasoline sales than the next 5 stations combined, so still more relevant than a small local station that doesn't sell half as much.

As for national average I could careless..
Glad to hear, it 'cause I don't care what the price of fuel is in Idaho; but more germaine to the point, if someone is going to author an article (or repost it) claiming national averages then it matters, otherwise post the caveat that your information is biased by your local unusual prices, and also your built in bias to post the incorrect info on the EPA numbers.

But sure, America is all about Alternative Facts now, so I could see why openess and accuracy would be less important than provincialism and bias.
 

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so still more relevant than a small local station that doesn't sell half as much.
Sinclair, Maverick and Fred Myer are all large chains with locations outside of Idaho so to call them a small local station is false.

Sinclair as more than 1,300 stations: https://www.sinclairoil.com/news/corporate-news/sinclair-oil-100-expanding-dino’s-footprint-across-nation

Fred Meyer is in WA, OR, AK, ID and is owned by Kroger (which owns stores nationally) so you can include all the Kroger stations as well.

Maverick has 270 stations in 10 states: https://www.maverik.com/home/company.html

All far from local mom and pops.

Glad to hear, it 'cause I don't care what the price of fuel is in Idaho; but more germaine to the point, if someone is going to author an article (or repost it) claiming national averages then it matters, otherwise post the caveat that your information is biased by your local unusual prices, and also your built in bias to post the incorrect info on the EPA numbers.

But sure, America is all about Alternative Facts now, so I could see why openess and accuracy would be less important than provincialism and bias.
If you actually READ what TxTravisty posted you would have been able to tell that he just copied and pasted the article he linked to from Edmunds which was talking about the national averages of DEF at the start and then Diesel at the end. Which were the national averages at the time the article was written. There are no shenanigans being played with the numbers, and the sources are right in front of your face. If you weren't constantly so defensive maybe you would calm down and comprehend that.
 

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Sinclair, Maverick and Fred Myer are all large chains...
That aren't large enough to exist in Canada, WalMart and Costco do, Shell does... but even your local pricing does not change the statements in the article or the data it ignores. Again you pretending that the numbers aren't off to serve your own purpose shows you're using alternate facts to try and support a falsehood simoly because it matches your chosen narrative.

If you actually READ what TxTravisty posted you would have been able to tell that he just copied and pasted the article he linked to from Edmunds which was talking about the national averages of DEF at the start and then Diesel at the end. Which were the national averages at the time the article was written. There are no shenanigans being played with the numbers, and the sources are right in front of your face. If you weren't constantly so defensive maybe you would calm down and comprehend that.
If you actually look at the national average numbers I posted above, as I said previously, the statement that gas & diesel are the same price is incorrect from each of the fill-up days mentioned in the article, for the entire test period, and for the specific time the article was written. That's very easy to fact check with the two tables above from the EIA's site: https://www.eia.gov/petroleum/gasdiesel/

Again it's in black and white from the government data with the National Average of diesel is more expensive than gasoline, no debate about what your neck ofmthe woods is doing that differs from thousands of other buyers; same with the EPA rating which is for the 6spd Hemi not the 8spd which would provide a closer match to the 8spd EcoDiesel fuel economy. Neither figure posted publically by the government, match the comments from Edmunds in the article which makes it factually incorrect.

You or TxT posting your local pump prices doesn't change those two glaring errors that support a narrative the author thinks they can sell, and you both are trying to support it in order to support/justify your choices with local anecdotal prices rather than the method stated in the article.
 

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I know it won't get Grand Cherokee or Ram fuel economy due to how aerodynamics work, but both of those vehicles can go more than 1400km on a 90L tank. It would be awesome to have a Jeep wrangler based vehicle getting below 7L/100km. I don't really care about fuel costs in that case, its all about highway range. When you live on the prairies being able to go that far in a vehicle you can stand would be amazing.
 

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Biggest problem for JL range may be the retention of a smaller gas tank than the JLU (75L vs 85L)

And while 7.xL/100KM Hwy might be a stretch, low 8.xL/100KM is very possible considering the export CRD diesel gets 8.7/8.8L per 100KM (6MT/5AT), the OD is definitely better in the 8ZF than in the NSG 6-speed added to some improved Aero and while the EcoDiesel will add weight it's likely offset by some of the JL weight savings.

I would guess 8.0L/100KM (30MPG) is a realistic expectation, as it's still pushing a brick into the wind, but that number will likely be less impacted by payload or towing than other powertrains, but the starting point won't get as low as the GC.

Biggest way to improve range will be same as before... increase fuel capacity. If they keep a 75L tank in the JL then it'll get just over 900KMs per tank which is better than the current theoretical just over 800KM, whereas a boost to a 90L tank even with the current setup would get you 30KM more range than that 1.3L/100KM fuel economy improvement and putting the two together would get you into 1,100+KMs.

* PS, a 90L tank @ 7L per 100KM gets you 1285KM, so getting "more than 1400KM on a 90L tank" is under extremely favourable conditions to say the least getting 37MPG/6.4L, the way you get significantly more... once again... with a bigger tank.
 
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What are the guesstimates of the 3.0 diesel mpg and what might be the GVWR? I'm only asking because my business will be purchasing this and I need the GVWR to be 6000 lbs or greater and I drive 40,000+ miles/year for work.

Thanks in advance.
 

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What are the guesstimates of the 3.0 diesel mpg and what might be the GVWR? I'm only asking because my business will be purchasing this and I need the GVWR to be 6000 lbs or greater and I drive 40,000+ miles/year for work.

Thanks in advance.
Want me to guess in metric or english? Or imperial english? Or romulan?
 
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