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8 Speed Auto Transmission slipping problems at 13,000 miles (3rd time in for repairs)

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The agreement I read about said that FCA had to keep ZF apprised of any modifications to anything at all for Jeep vehicles. Since both companies make the transmission, and ZF must ultimately support the design, it makes sense that each must keep the other informed.
The changes I read about were more for specifics involved in the manufacturing process - for example, how a casting is indexed in a machine for the next process. People look at transmission housings of the past and ask why something is shaped a certain way or what's that part sticking out there for, what are those holes for........ it's for setting up a casting or part in a machine, clamping, indexing and so forth. Sort of like some of the holes in a frame - some are to index the steel in a press for the next bend or other process, others may be to hold it in a specific place and position on the line as it comes in for the engine assemble to be mounted to the frame.
I've watched cars and trucks being built in multiple plants. Holes and shapes exist for reasons. Even for small items like lawn equipment, the parts must be set up on the line and hold their position precisely. It's even more critical today than when I toured the Ford and MOPAR and John Deere plants because of the greater automation. If that part shifts a fraction of an inch, it's trash.
And in the case of these transmissions. FCA already had equipment to handle these, but some modifications had to be made for variations in the equipment - different spots on the housing, for example, had to be set up for the housing to be held for perhaps a drilling operation or something else. The equipment could do the same thing, but it was held in place and indexed differently, so the part had to have minor changes. That's what most of the changes were for physically, otherwise most of it was programming.
Not trying to pump your tires, but I really like your posts.
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Not trying to pump your tires, but I really like your posts.
Yep, he has good info and a rational logical view.

Also, the point about the ZF designation being metric, this makes very good sense being it is European in origin.
 

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I don’t think anyone who is knowledgeable at all on the subject has said it’s same transmission. Like previously stated, ZF has built their 8 speed differently for years based on the application it’s going into.
who cares, just reference the damn thing correctly. Thats all i am asking, there are a lot of folks out there that less then basic knowledge about how things work.
 

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who cares, just reference the damn thing correctly. Thats all i am asking, there are a lot of folks out there that less then basic knowledge about how things work.
It’s just easier to call it a ZF transmission. It’s ZF design and all of that that came with them monitoring the manufacturing practice. I mean, on BMW forums do the owners argue over the ZF transmission on an X3 vs an X3 M having a different internal name? ThaT might be a bad example because BMW owners, but shit. Life’s too short. If the diesel transmission was built in the US would you care so much? I don’t think so. I think you’re caught up in the fact that it’s manufactured by ZF. I used to work for a BMW dealership. The ZF built transmissions fail also. It was the same when I worked at an Audi dealership. It’s rare for any of them to fail, but it does happen.
 

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My 2021 JTR gasser has the 850RE transmission
MY 2021 JTOD has the 8hp75 transmission. My only complaint with this is not the trans itself, but the programming. In 2 wheel mode the shift points are too low in rpm in my opinion. It will shift at about 1500 rpm and get into 5 gear at 30kph. Too low for any type of throttle response for a gradient. The engine is stuck lugging - not a good condition for this engine.

Pop it in 4 wheel and the shift points change to about 1800 rpm, and it becomes a much more civilized driving machine. The trans really performs exceptionally well with the engine while in 4x4 mode.

So I have taken to controlling the shifting manually in 2 wheel in some situations to keep some rpm up and avoid the lug. Yeah, it uses a bit more fuel (fuel saving is why the program sucks in 2 wheel) but I’m not concerned about that in the big picture.

So I guess the next step will be to see if I can somehow by-pass the system and convince the trans it is always in 4 wheel. Any suggestions?
 

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MY 2021 JTOD has the 8hp75 transmission. My only complaint with this is not the trans itself, but the programming. In 2 wheel mode the shift points are too low in rpm in my opinion. It will shift at about 1500 rpm and get into 5 gear at 30kph. Too low for any type of throttle response for a gradient. The engine is stuck lugging - not a good condition for this engine.

Pop it in 4 wheel and the shift points change to about 1800 rpm, and it becomes a much more civilized driving machine. The trans really performs exceptionally well with the engine while in 4x4 mode.

So I have taken to controlling the shifting manually in 2 wheel in some situations to keep some rpm up and avoid the lug. Yeah, it uses a bit more fuel (fuel saving is why the program sucks in 2 wheel) but I’m not concerned about that in the big picture.

So I guess the next step will be to see if I can somehow by-pass the system and convince the trans it is always in 4 wheel. Any suggestions?
That's been my complaint about the gasser transmission. It shifts too quickly keeping RPM low. You really have to give it throttle to keep the RPM up and delay shifting. On a hill even it wants to upshift and then finds it can keep up and downshifts again.
 

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That's been my complaint about the gasser transmission. It shifts too quickly keeping RPM low. You really have to give it throttle to keep the RPM up and delay shifting. On a hill even it wants to upshift and then finds it can keep up and downshifts again.
Yes, and I found that using 4x4 mode around town makes it really a lot nicer drive. The fact that the streets have been covered in snow for a month now due to the cold has made me ponder how to jump out the sensor, or trick the position switch if there is such an animal, so that the trans thinks it is always in 4x4.
Someone more versed in this technology will have to guide me though.
 

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Yes, and I found that using 4x4 mode around town makes it really a lot nicer drive. The fact that the streets have been covered in snow for a month now due to the cold has made me ponder how to jump out the sensor, or trick the position switch if there is such an animal, so that the trans thinks it is always in 4x4.
Someone more versed in this technology will have to guide me though.
Weird year here - very little snow, even the last snow didn't give us much and it was off the roads pretty quickly.
Odd that it would shift differently in 4H mode - wonder why that is unless it knows it needs more torque to spin the extra gears and shafts.
 

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Weird year here - very little snow, even the last snow didn't give us much and it was off the roads pretty quickly.
Odd that it would shift differently in 4H mode - wonder why that is unless it knows it needs more torque to spin the extra gears and shafts.
Yes, the first time I used it I wondered about it. Then I figured out that the system I had spec’d out when I ordered does not have the auto 4x4 engagement, it is a fully manual transfer case. So possibly that makes difference, but since I have not driven a model with the auto system I don’t know if my perception is valid or not.
 

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Well next time I buy a Chinese motorcycle that has a copied Honda engine I will just call it a Honda. Why not call a Rolls Royce a BMW then, it is essentially a BMW and a BMW design. A Lexus is a Toyota. Let’s call them all Lexus.
However the Torqueflite 850RE will still not be a ZF transmission and is inferior to the ZF 8HP75

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OP here. Transmission replaced, under warranty. Internal issue in trans. Here's the invoice with everything I know. It shows the codes and a simple, if not brief explanation, which is significantly more information that any personnel at the dealer were able to give me. Zero communication by my "service advisor", or anybody else at the dealer. Did not return any of my calls or messages. No updates, no status, no diagnosis, no "sir, we're changing the transmission in your vehicle, here's how long it will take, here's why we're replacing it, etc...." Just one call to me telling me to come get the truck, 2 hours before they closed. Truck at dealer for 3 weeks. Super happy with the dealership experience here. NOT.
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OP here. Transmission replaced, under warranty. Internal issue in trans. Here's the invoice with everything I know. It shows the codes and a simple, if not brief explanation, which is significantly more information that any personnel at the dealer were able to give me. Zero communication by my "service advisor", or anybody else at the dealer. Did not return any of my calls or messages. No updates, no status, no diagnosis, no "sir, we're changing the transmission in your vehicle, here's how long it will take, here's why we're replacing it, etc...." Just one call to me telling me to come get the truck, 2 hours before they closed. Truck at dealer for 3 weeks. Super happy with the dealership experience here. NOT.
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Fluid level OK from factory statement has me concerned. Having done a filter change and fluid service fill procedure on this model transmission, I am highly suspect of a replacement coming with enough fluid and not any top off was needed for a level check.
 

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Fluid level OK from factory statement has me concerned. Having done a filter change and fluid service fill procedure on this model transmission, I am highly suspect of a replacement coming with enough fluid and not any top off was needed for a level check.
Hmmm, but these run fluid through a cooler and some long lines....... What about any fluid that goes into any lines or cooler? Aren't those going to be "empty" (well, full of air, void of fluid?)
It's a complex system to check fluid level on these - you have to run them in certain ways - and that will pump fluid through the cooler (unless it has the bypass type system that is closed under certain temperatures??)
OK, a minisplit system comes new pre-charged. You install, connect everything, open the valves and it's ready to go (over-simplified, yes) but you can't do that with a transmission unless they over-fill it with the exact amount of fluid needed to fill any lines and cooler.
Seems to me that after a transmission install it would take them quite a bit of time to check the fluid properly - has to be certain temperatures and so on.
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