2026 Jeep JT Hybrid

[Janster]

Not every engine problem can be fixed, had a 4.0L throw a rod through the side of the block. You're not fixing that. And replacing batteries is easy by comparison and no maintenance.

Give that ‘bad engine’ to the guy at the junkyard and he’ll take parts off it and use it in something else. It’s still usable. And hey…guess what? That blown engine can be recycled easily and quickly without any red tape.

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[ShadowsPapa]

Give that ‘bad engine’ to the guy at the junkyard and he’ll take parts off it and use it in something else. It’s still usable. And hey…guess what? That blown engine can be recycled easily and quickly without any red tape.

I have a number of 258 and 242 (4.0) parts here, including a full 4.0 engine and enough stuff to build a 258,, or even a nice stroker. There's guys begging for such parts from a 4.0, especially the later years.

 

[Zachanadandy]

Give that ‘bad engine’ to the guy at the junkyard and he’ll take parts off it and use it in something else. It’s still usable. And hey…guess what? That blown engine can be recycled easily and quickly without any red tape.

Nobody is reusing a block with a hole in the side of it. Nobody is pulling stock used pistons or cranks or anything out of a blown up 4.0L that is a dime a dozen. Sure they could use some of the top end parts off of it and it's easier to recycle, but how does any of that effect the vehicle owner in the slightest. He still needs a new short block at a minimum and then he's taking all those used parts and doing 10x the work of just changing out a battery. As far as an owner is concerned why would they care about the what's,why's, or how's of their broken garbage? From a trouble shooting, maintenance, and repair stand point EVs are so simple compared to ICE power trains. No oil changes, brake pads last 100s of thousands of miles, no transmission, no cooling system. They are proving to be more reliable in under 2 decades than ICE manufacturers have managed in over 100 years. Again, I'll take a battery replacement every 100-200 thousand miles over replacing an engine. Hell the maintenance savings alone would probably pay for that battery.

 

[Stan H]

Not every engine problem can be fixed, had a 4.0L throw a rod through the side of the block. You're not fixing that. And replacing batteries is easy by comparison and no maintenance.

JB Weld

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Nobody is pulling stock used pistons or cranks or anything out of a blown up 4.0L that is a dime a dozen. Sure they could use some of the top end parts off of it

They should give me the 4.0 head. I could make some nice money on it. A lot of 70s Jeep and Eagle owners to a 4.0 head swap onto their 258. The intakes, if the later models, are worth some change as well - the curved design clears the booster and brake cylinder more easily.

But the bottom end? Scrap iron. (Although I do recondition rods for those who simply want it rebuilt so can always use decent used rods.)

On a more semi-serious note, and to your REAL points - my son traded his EV in on a new EV, and I was pretty impressed to see that it wasn't really any different than an ICE powered vehicle as far as value and costs and so on in the trade. But - he had pretty much NO maintenance in the time he owned it other than normal stuff, cleaning, taking care of tire inflation if necessary, cleaning it, whatever. His total cost of ownership was really quite low - so he went back to another EV - same make, longer range and a few newer features than his other.

 

[biodiesel]

I read that Europe is doing a good job of making sure batteries are recycled, but it's been reported that that a lot of EV vehicle are basically in an experimental phase and there isn't a plan by manufacturers (or government regulations) to replace the batteries in the long run. Part of the reason is that technology is outpacing the industry, so manufacturers are constantly trying to keep up.

Some have said the aftermarket will step up and supply batteries, and maybe that's true, but only time will tell. I think these hybrids like the 4xe will be very costly to own and maintain over a 20-year period. I'm sure the technology will improve, but so far, the 4xe doesn't look very promising outside of the warranty period.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

but so far, the 4xe doesn't look very promising outside of the warranty period.

That's 80,000 miles.

As far as batteries, I'm betting on better battery packs, and even 3rd party replacements in the next 5 years. IS that a promise? No, and I'm not in a hotel 8 room at the moment. Just a thought based on the sales numbers and the fact that the Grand Cherokee and JLU share the same battery tech.

 

[Stan H]

JB Weld

My Grandfather did small engine repair . If a lawnmower had scores in the cylinder and it was already bored He would take JB Weld smear it in the cylinder let it harden and then hone it smooth and put it all back together . Ran like a charm . No Joke .

 

[SCJ Zach]

In what world is 50% of sales not a popular vehicle?

50% in Q1 of 24, when Stellantis was only providing 4XE's to dealerships. In real numbers it is less than 30% of the Wranglers sold.

 

[Jrgunn5150]

50% in Q1 of 24, when Stellantis was only providing 4XE's to dealerships. In real numbers it is less than 30% of the Wranglers sold.

Only 30% take rate, what a flop.

2 door's are an 8% take rate

 

[Zachanadandy]

Only 30% take rate, what a flop.

2 door's are an 8% take rate

From a business standpoint it would make more sense to drop the manual and the 2dr entirely and invest in a 4xe with the new zf hybrid transmission with more range and power. The purists don't want to hear it, but that's the reality. Even half the purists I've gone back and forth with on the JL forum want to argue for stripped, 2dr, manual transmission, no infotainment, base model simplicity... but drive loaded JLURs. They pander for it but won't even actually live with all the shortcomings themselves.

 

[bleda2002]

Have you ever driven one? The 4xe with 37s would be quite like a diesel with 37" tires. In fact, I'd bet you could put on 35s or 37s and not even bother with a regear. When one doesn't even downshift at a steep incline, it has more than enough torque to handle the winch weight, and big tires. Go check out the 4xe forums.


Go watch some videos of the JLU 4xe out in the trails......... No revving to get over anything.

I'm on 39 km3s with no regear just stock 3.73s. Took it to TN from Florida like that did the mountains, never lacked for power. Jt is on 38s and 5.13s and the 4xe walks away from it easily at any speed including off the line.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

From a business standpoint it would make more sense to drop the manual and the 2dr entirely and invest in a 4xe with the new zf hybrid transmission with more range and power.

My understanding is you can't buy the 2 door in Europe...............

 

[Zachanadandy]

My understanding is you can't buy the 2 door in Europe...............

You can buy it here... and half the purists still don't. If you have no friends or hate the ones you have the 2dr can sort of work so long as you don't want to bring much of anything with you. If you want to bring camping gear, recovery gear, and food for a week you'll end up ditching the back seat all together. That's what many 2dr owners do from day 1. That's an awful large vehicle to have the functional passenger space of a miata. And we wonder why the take rate is only 8%...

 

[BillyP]

The 4xe makes more power and torque than the 3.6, as much torque as the 392. Those videos have more views because of the outspoken enthusiast market. But normal folks don't anticipate vehicle launches. They shop what's on the market. A 4xe Gladiator would be the first PHEV midsize, make more power and torque than current powertrains, likely be cheaper than a 392 and offer fuel savings. To Joe Shmo, that's an attractive package.

All the above reasons also make it attractive to enthusiast. Instant low end torque, gobs of power, fuel savings, and the ability to power more things easier are great. Hypothetically, the JT also offers the ability to package more range for the 4xe system.

The knee jerk rejection of electrification is tiring. It's viable, especially in PHEV or EREV form for most folks. Don't knock it till you try it

Not a knee jerk reaction. I love electrification. The tools they have now due to electrification are awesome. That doesn’t mean I want it or should be forced to buy one. It should be my choice what I spend my hard earned money on. I will never buy a PHEV or EREV vehicle. I’ve never wanted one, nor will I ever buy one. I will never buy a ford either for the same reason, because I don’t want one. Praise them all you want, and I wish you nothing but happiness with any of yours. Once again, it’s not something I want or need. That’s why they make chocolate and vanilla-choices.

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