2LO - installed

[Dilly’S Willy]

So no auto has ever tried to kill you but maybe ABS/traction control has? Yes I live in flat CA where we have the highest point in the lower 48 and the lowest point as well. 14,494 feet to -282 feet. Nice flat state with an elevation gain of 14,776 feet as opposed to your hill country of at most 6,800' in NC down to -8'? There's not a legitimate mountain east of the Mississippi. Those are foothill elevations out west. Last I checked every up hill has a downhill. Are you telling me it won't maintain speed downhill or you just don't want to shift that often? Seems more driver error than design error. It's always the manual guys that complain about shifting... if only there was a way for the Jeep to do it automatically so you don't have to.

This is turning into a pissing match so I'll leave it with this: I highly doubt you daily drive that 14k' elevation change, maybe 1k' sure, but so do I. Enjoy your jeep, I will mine. You weren't with me in either of those situations, nor can you read the key details apparently. Good day, Sir!

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[Stan H]

The manual in these trucks, especially with the 3.73s, drives like a 4 speed double OD. Maybe you live in flat CA, but here in the hills where it's 55mph everywhere, stop and go, yeah good luck using 5/6 gears EVER! Even on the highways that are 55-65mph, we have large rolling hills and often wind. Can you shift into 5/6? Yeah. Can you maintain speed in those gears? Sometimes in 5th, unless there's a hill and it's below 65mph or any wind. 6th? Forget it, you'll lug the shit out of the engine and can watch your avg mpg and rpms drop before you get up the hill. So yes, the manual ratios, especially with 3.73s, you will not use 5/6 gears, making it a 4 speed double OD. But you wouldn't know this challenge because you don't have a manual. And for people who daily their trucks, maybe we don't need to be turning 2800rpms at 70mph, or simply don't need to drive 70+mph.

Auto vehicles have more nannies, which when they don't work as designed can cause worse driving conditions. A manual can't (well in the past couldn't) do any of that. I treat autos as a nanny, as generally if you can't (or just don't want to) drive a stick...you buy an auto. And nannies in vehicles are dangerous in emergency situations WHEN OPERATED BY A SKILLED DRIVER. Here are two real examples:

2006 Trailblazer. GM had a tsb for bad steering input sensors/harnesses with NO fix, they just keep going bad over time. They made the harness too short causing tension to intermittently cut connection, thus sending improper signals to the TCM/ABS systems. It thought I was turning left when I was turning right, yaw/pitch showed conflicting inputs so abs/esc kicked in and steered more left and threw me into a ditch/pole since it cut throttle and braking input.

22 ZX10R. Someone cut me off at a stupid unsafe distance and slammed on the brakes. The ABS system did what it was programmed to do (in SLIPPERY CONDITIONS) and prevented more brake pressure and bleeding active pressure (if the front tire was sliding this would have made sense). The theory behind this is: by keeping both tires on the ground you SHOULD have more contact with the ground though both brakes/tires. Well sure, if it was slippery out that might be true, but when it's 100F and dry out on clean tarmac, you WANT the rear tire to come up to add weight over the front tire to apply more braking force to the ground so you can stop faster. No, the bike cut all my braking force, and slammed me into the vehicle that cut me off and paralyzed me for 6 months. I did the math on that one, it confirmed ABS in that situation caused my accident, well made it worse than it should have been.

Dude you're cracking me Up.

 

[Zachanadandy]

Dude you're cracking me Up.

The 06 trailblazer didn't have any lane keep assist or self driving, but somehow it steered itself into a ditch... because it was an automatic? But my reading comprehension is the issue I guess? And if you never drive over 60 mph you should gear down as the truck was built to comfortably cruise 80+ all day on American freeways with that speed limit.

 

[Dilly’S Willy]

Dude you're cracking me Up.

At least I made someone laugh, good enough for me.

 

[chorky]

Pretty awesome someone actually used this option finally. I had looked into it seriously but of course sold the JT before making the mod. I Have a 2 lo mod on my TJ and use it almost every time I go out to make tight turns significantly easier and reduce the risk of snapping a front axle. Hope this works out great for you!

 

[Eating Raoul]

The only time I've needed 2 low was when I had about 1.5 tons of firewood loaded into a 1987 Toyota pickup. Put it in 4 low without the hubs engaged to get rolling and drove the couple miles to my house. Pretty handy when you need it, but I've hardly ever needed it :D

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