3.0 Diesel IS quicker than Ram Hemi, and Ford 7.3!!

[Br4hm4]

Did they use the same horribly unfair test practice that they normally do, testing forced induction engines against naturally aspirated engines at high altitude?

As someone that lives in Colorado, this is just life. I wish I could have gotten the 2L turbo in the Gladiator instead of the 3.6L. Having forced induction helps in pretty much every area of daily use. It's kind of the reason I want to spend money on forced induction for the Gladiator...but I have heard nothing but bad things about doing that to the 3.6L. I will say that my little 2.4L Ecotech with some boost hasn't had any issues walking away from Vettes or Hemis in the last 4 years.

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[ShadowsPapa]

Good Grief you act like it's some grand conspiracy :rolleyes:
They simply raced what they had on hand where all the vehicles happened to be. Just for fun.
I would have been shocked if the lighter JL had not won -

I take their "test videos" with a grain of salt and view them mostly as just for fun.
Nothing scientific about them and no one should base any decisions at all on their videos.
They do this for kicks, money, views/clicks.
No one should take their stuff seriously or buy or not buy using their videos as any sort of criteria - often showing the 'DUH obvious'.
I had to wonder - what the heck are they counting brake applications or shifting for in one of their videos - who cares.
Youtube makes stars out of anyone, no experience needed.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

As someone that lives in Colorado, this is just life. I wish I could have gotten the 2L turbo in the Gladiator instead of the 3.6L. Having forced induction helps in pretty much every area of daily use. It's kind of the reason I want to spend money on forced induction for the Gladiator...but I have heard nothing but bad things about doing that to the 3.6L. I will say that my little 2.4L Ecotech with some boost hasn't had any issues walking away from Vettes or Hemis in the last 4 years.

If the bottom end isn't made to handle that sort of force or pressure - just amazes me when people believe they can take an engine designed to operate a certain way within certain limits and simply bolt on power. Just amazes me.
It works fine for some engines that are over-built or are made for that use, but if you want to go much more than stock power and forces, you build the bottom end differently - rods, bolts, other areas.
You don't see people taking race engines, upping the power and leaving the lower end all stock. Rods stretch with RPM, rod bolts are made to take so much force - exceed that and bad things happen. For me that means modifying the oiling system at times, different bearings, high dollar rod bolts, polishing, shot peening the rods or going lighter rods made for the forces being thrown at them.
Everyone wants simple bolt-on power............ and then gripe when the bottom end goes south or pistons break.

Here is one I rebuilt a while back - required sleeves and boring...........

 

[WXman]

At least to an elevation that doesn't unfairly pit a naturally aspirated engine working with less than normal atmospheric pressure against one with forced induction.

Exactly. If you are a professional automotive media entity, it would behoove you to provide the most accurate conditions possible for your testing. In their case, they should do their testing at an elevation that the majority of Americans live at so as to provide a more reasonable result. To not do so is being lazy on their part.

 

[bruno747]

Sigh...I suppose tfl should also have the Ike gauntlet rebuilt at sea level so as to remove high altitude bias too.

/Sarcasm

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Sigh...I suppose tfl should also have the Ike gauntlet rebuilt at sea level so as to remove high altitude bias too.

/Sarcasm

Naw - they can simply bring their trucks to my neighborhood to test...... RAGBRAI riders come here to get ready for the big summer event because of our hills.

 

[Oilburner]

And what's up with drag racing in 4WD high? WTH?

 

[ShadowsPapa]

And what's up with drag racing in 4WD high? WTH?

First-hand experience. A buddy of mine towed his race car and trailer with his Dodge Ram diesel 4x4. He had it built nicely - so much he kept breaking things.
One time he decided on Friday night test and tune night, he'd for kicks take his truck down the track. We were all cheering him on - tree counted down, green light, the other guy was off down the track and Ron was spinning wheels - finally it took and he was pouring coal out the pipes and his time was horrible - even for a big heavy diesel Ram.
He came back around for a second pass and while he was in the lanes waiting his turn, a couple of us, over the din of the open headers of the other cars, shouted '4X4 - engage the case!!' and "put it in 4H!"
He did.
Countdown - and he's OFF! Launched nicely, not a bad time as I recall for the big heavy Ram.
A pickup on a dragstrip may as well sit back and relax - he'll spin those rears easier than almost anything else out there.

There's other guys who race Jeeps - I've got some pics, but not very good, of a couple of them, maybe more if I dig.

 

[Belcher24256]

Hemi is a fairly heavy engine - of course a light vehicle with a light engine will be quick.
Drag racing 101 - why do we take the heaters and unnecessary seats and stuff out of cars to make them go faster down the track? Weight.
Fun to watch - but hardly a comparison.
Now - do you buy a diesel to race, or pull heavy loads at any speed, slow or fast, and not have to keep changing gears to make the next hill?
If most of my driving was hauling or pulling, I'd opt for diesel. But that's not even 5%, so.......
Did you guys buy any Jeep to be FAST, quickest in the quarter mile? OR get there no matter what?

My Rubicon JTD is not light by any stretch compared to the same year trucks. Where I work we have a bunch of new 2500 fords running the big gas V-8’s and they weigh in at 3600 lbs. the trucks of today aren’t heavy compared to trucks 5-10 years ago. So far as stop light to stop light my JTD would give my hem charger a fit on level road. Not at midrange but for sure at a dead stop. Just something to think about. A buddy of mine has the Chevy eco-diesel and traded his 1500 5.3 in because of the power pulling a few cattle around. The icing on the cake he says is it will “smoke” any gas powered Chevy off the line at a stop light. Interesting again but it’s real world not YouTube.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Where I work we have a bunch of new 2500 fords running the big gas V-8’s and they weigh in at 3600 lbs. the trucks of today aren’t heavy

You'd better check the specs again. 3600 is unibody car territory, not full-framed truck weights.

A light F250 is around 6,000 pounds - heavier than most JTs. (and up to over 7,500 pounds - 2,000 pounds more than most JTs)

F150 starts at 4,000 pounds stripped down, 5,500 with options.
So a light F150 is still over what you say the F250s are by 400 pounds.

(for comparison, a 1995 F250 2x2 was about 4,400 pounds - so how is a modern F250 really lighter)

Trucks of today are still heavy - heavier than most cars. They have heavier axles, full frames, all of the works for a tailgate which a car lacks, and more.
There's no way a full-sized truck, an F250, comes in at just above what my SX4 weighs.

 

[Belcher24256]

You'd better check the specs again. 3600 is unibody car territory, not full-framed truck weights.

A light F250 is around 6,000 pounds - heavier than most JTs. (and up to over 7,500 pounds - 2,000 pounds more than most JTs)

F150 starts at 4,000 pounds stripped down, 5,500 with options.
So a light F150 is still over what you say the F250s are by 400 pounds.

(for comparison, a 1995 F250 2x2 was about 4,400 pounds - so how is a modern F250 really lighter)

Trucks of today are still heavy - heavier than most cars. They have heavier axles, full frames, all of the works for a tailgate which a car lacks, and more.
There's no way a full-sized truck, an F250, comes in at just above what my SX4 weighs.

Regardless of what Google says the sticker inside the door says what it says because we were both astounded when we looked at it right after he was issued the truck. It has F-250 badge on the fender as well. I have no other reason to say it other than it’s there. It was a hot topic of discussion around our office for quite a while. Maybe it is the “police” thing but it says what it says. I’ll take a pic of it and post it next time we are both in the office.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Regardless of what Google says the sticker inside the door says what it says because we were both astounded when we looked at it right after he was issued the truck. It has F-250 badge on the fender as well. I have no other reason to say it other than it’s there. It was a hot topic of discussion around our office for quite a while. Maybe it is the “police” thing but it says what it says. I’ll take a pic of it and post it next time we are both in the office.

LOL - Google - funny. Those are from Ford, KBb and Edmunds.
Try again.

You are looking for CURB WEIGHT and nothing else - CURB WEIGHT.

Google, sure, sorry, I'm not that sort - I went to FORD dot COM - right from the horse's mouth.
The LIGHTEST 2024 F250 4x2 (TWO WHEEL DRIVE) is TWO THOUSAND POUNDS over what you claim.

This is a snippet taken directly from Ford - not giggle or AI or any of that stuff -

 

[Main Line Willys]

Probably looking at the front axle weight @ 3600lbs.

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