3.5 weeks

[rubi2022sc]

So after 3.5 weeks I was sitting at the light today and the Jeep just shut off and stated power steering service needed. Turned the Jeep off and it would not restarted. Hopefully this is not a major issue but certainly disappointing.

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[Rahkmalla]

Belt issue? Isn't the power steering pump on the serpentine? Would cause a power steering failure and you'd lose alternator causing truck to eventually die.

Did you notice the AC turn off or the engine heat rising prior to engine shutoff?

 

[Renegade]

Belt issue? Isn't the power steering pump on the serpentine? Would cause a power steering failure and you'd lose alternator causing truck to eventually die.

Did you notice the AC turn off or the engine heat rising prior to engine shutoff?

No, our Jeeps have electric power steering pumps. Maybe a fuse? Or, it could be a start/stop battery issue. Both of mine have failed and been replaced, at separate times.

 

[rubi2022sc]

I was thinking it was a start stop issue. As the issue arose after I was stopped at a light. Everything was functioning normally (or supposedly) prior to issue.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Belt issue? Isn't the power steering pump on the serpentine? Would cause a power steering failure and you'd lose alternator causing truck to eventually die.

Did you notice the AC turn off or the engine heat rising prior to engine shutoff?

EHPS, Electro-Hydraulic Power Steering.
No belt. And these warn you when voltage is too low. If that belt was off or bad, these sense such things.
Even the 4.0 would trigger a charging system light - and these show the battery light indicating a charging system issue. When battery voltage drops below a certain point, there's a warning for that as well. The thresholds are set and can be seen using a software tool.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

So after 3.5 weeks I was sitting at the light today and the Jeep just shut off and stated power steering service needed. Turned the Jeep off and it would not restarted. Hopefully this is not a major issue but certainly disappointing.

Pull cover off fuse block right side against firewall. Press down firmly on all fuses and relays. There have been reports of weird electrical issues cause by fuses not well seated (or not seated well?)
Likely not major other than the fact that electrical issues can be really tricky to nail down.
Get a volt meter, even a $20 one from Walmart will work, check voltage at crank battery (main battery) and check for F3 fuse to be blown.

 

[rubi2022sc]

I was planning to check the fuses but this just twisted my cap and stuck in traffic thought dealer is the one who should have to deal with it. I have broken down in my 66 commando but I know every inch of that car and always have a pair of small jumpers and volt meter in it to source the issue. Just didn’t thing the gladiator would do it after a 1000 miles.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

I was planning to check the fuses but this just twisted my cap and stuck in traffic thought dealer is the one who should have to deal with it. I have broken down in my 66 commando but I know every inch of that car and always have a pair of small jumpers and volt meter in it to source the issue. Just didn’t thing the gladiator would do it after a 1000 miles.

No vehicle is perfect - ask those ford buyers who face a recall because a bolt holding the rear axle breaks and lets the driveshaft loose, letting the SUV roll away......... or the GM buyers who lose power steering now and then due to electrical issues, or the Mercedes owners, 1,000,000 of them, seeing a recall because the sun roof flies off while driving down the highway...............
If you know a bit about the problem, it's easier to tell the dealer's shop what happened in detail, along with some info they can use to help troubleshoot.
(also include my wife's GC that needed the spark plugs replaced at about 900 miles due to misfires)

 

[Jeeperjamie]

I'd give the fuse seating a look. I had a couple loose on mine and the radio would shut off a reset a few times and I checked the fuses and had like 4 or 5 not all the way in. After I fixed them haven't had anymore issues. It sucks, at least it's still under warranty though. Like @ShadowsPapa said, no one makes a perfect vehicle. I've owned about 6 BMW's and 9 different ford's, and probably 8 different jeep products. A few other brands but out of the 3 I mentioned I've had at least one that gave me problems. Didn't keep me from buying the brand again though.

 

[rubi2022sc]

I agree nothing is perfect. I have had 7jeeps, Cadillacs, Toyota, land rovers, Nissans, Chryslers , and Porsches all have had issues in first 3 years some more than others but nothing has broken down at 1k. Am I disappointed yes. Am I never going to buy a Jeep again or sell this Jeep. No way. Love the gladiator was just suprised that this occurred today. Had I been able to limp home and look at the issue I would have but today was not one of those days. I was broken down in the middle of a busy intersection and was more worried some one would hit me. Luckily police arrived on seen and we were able to push gladi to a safe spot. Not the first time I have had to push a Jeep out of an intersection and will probably not be the last. It happens to the best of them.

 

[seven30]

I agree nothing is perfect. I have had 7jeeps, Cadillacs, Toyota, land rovers, Nissans, Chryslers , and Porsches all have had issues in first 3 years some more than others but nothing has broken down at 1k. Am I disappointed yes. Am I never going to buy a Jeep again or sell this Jeep. No way. Love the gladiator was just suprised that this occurred today. Had I been able to limp home and look at the issue I would have but today was not one of those days. I was broken down in the middle of a busy intersection and was more worried some one would hit me. Luckily police arrived on seen and we were able to push gladi to a safe spot. Not the first time I have had to push a Jeep out of an intersection and will probably not be the last. It happens to the best of them.

So whats the advantage of the Electro-hydralic system? Slightly better mpg? Its doent have the one obvious advantage of having power steering if engine stalls which seems kind of nutty to me.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

So whats the advantage of the Electro-hydralic system? Slightly better mpg? Its doent have the one obvious advantage of having power steering if engine stalls which seems kind of nutty to me.

I've never needed PS when the engine stalls - I'm either still moving fast enough it's not hard to steer, or going slow enough I can keep up with steering it.
More engine power when you need it, and better mpg, letting Jeep compete in the world of ever-tightening CAFE restrictions and EPA regs.
It's like electric cooling fans of decades ago. You have more usable HP instead of robbing HP to turn a pump that's frankly, not being used while you are driving down the highway.
They can control the pressure output and speed and only suck power away when it's needed.
When driving straight at 75 mph along I80, you don't need the HP sucking belt driven PS pump working hard for nothing. When you need power, you have it.
Even in the 1970s they cut the AC compressor when you kicked the throttle down to pass.

So -
Advantage is fuel savings by not using power from the engine when not needed
You have engine HP when needed.
Physically driven PS pumps are a waste, power robbing, mpg robbing.
You want Jeep to survive..........

 

[redriderjf87]

So whats the advantage of the Electro-hydralic system? Slightly better mpg? Its doent have the one obvious advantage of having power steering if engine stalls which seems kind of nutty to me.

Couldn't you have PS with an electric driven pump with the engine off?

I'm actually converting my Camaro to a full electric setup but sometimes regret not just doing an electric powered pump.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Couldn't you have PS with an electric driven pump with the engine off?

Technically, yeah. I've never had my JT engine die while driving to see what happens. So can't say that it's totally dead or not dead.
The one thing I'd see is that you wouldn't want it to just run - it would be a battery killer. You would need it to interface with the steering gear as sort of an on-demand situation. Start turning the wheel, the pump starts up.
Maybe someone with a manual transmission can purposely stall their engine and see if they still have power steering. That's going to be the only way to know for sure how that works as so far, the engines have died because of some fault detected so the PCM shuts things down. You can't kill the engine with the switch, you'd have to have it die with no electrical issues, like a stall, to know exactly how it is going to act.

 

[redriderjf87]

Technically, yeah. I've never had my JT engine die while driving to see what happens. So can't say that it's totally dead or not dead.
The one thing I'd see is that you wouldn't want it to just run - it would be a battery killer. You would need it to interface with the steering gear as sort of an on-demand situation. Start turning the wheel, the pump starts up.
Maybe someone with a manual transmission can purposely stall their engine and see if they still have power steering. That's going to be the only way to know for sure how that works as so far, the engines have died because of some fault detected so the PCM shuts things down. You can't kill the engine with the switch, you'd have to have it die with no electrical issues, like a stall, to know exactly how it is going to act.

Ok yeah that's what I was thinking, assuming electrical power was actually being supplied in that situation.

I'll go stall mine and try tomorrow now that I'm curious.

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