3.6 Engine Tick

[Stan H]

They are there, small, in the oil filter for the most part.
Do two oil changes in fairly quick succession. Change it, drive it a bit, change it again.


It often won't - not as far as what you "feel", depending on how many were ground off and how far the cam profile is compromised. It will have more impact at high RPM than typical driving speeds.
You are in low lift unless it determines more power is needed, then kicks to high lift mode, but with one lobe of one cylinder compromised, it's likely not something you'll "feel".

That is one of the things I have looked for many times is metal shavings in the filter but have never found any. I am always looking for very very fine particles too. .. I dont know what I did different . Wished I knew

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[MPMB]

They are there, small, in the oil filter for the most part.
Do two oil changes in fairly quick succession. Change it, drive it a bit, change it again.


It often won't - not as far as what you "feel", depending on how many were ground off and how far the cam profile is compromised. It will have more impact at high RPM than typical driving speeds.
You are in low lift unless it determines more power is needed, then kicks to high lift mode, but with one lobe of one cylinder compromised, it's likely not something you'll "feel".

I meant the visible metal shavings that indicate an impending *boom* engine. I know there are small ones from the cam getting worn - and elsewhere. There's always some bits of metal being worn. In my research I've found some pictures where it's almost like shavings from a band saw strewn about the top of the head. The front sensor (oil VVT one) was clean upon removal, whereas some have metal deposits.

While it's a bummer it sits in the driveway, the Gladiator isn't moving until I get a new cam and rocker(s).

It's pretty sad when Mopar is offering a "kit" for the replacement, knowing that there are plenty of problems that justify packaging a "kit."

 

[ShadowsPapa]

It's pretty sad when Mopar is offering a "kit" for the replacement, knowing that there are plenty of problems that justify packaging a "kit."

Cam kits are totally common. In fact, no one should be replacing a cam without replacing the followers, and no one should replace the followers and not replace the cam.
So, a kit is normal. If you go to buy a cam for an engine like in my cars - you often get a kit - cam and either 12 or 16 lifters, depending on engine.
The reason you can buy a bare cam, not in a kit, is because some people have their favorite brand of lifters for other vehicles - for these, it won't matter.
So really, they should never sell a cam that's not in kit form.
It's not because of a problem justifying it - it's how they should have always been sold from day one - never just a cam by itself.

 

[MPMB]

Cam kits are totally common. In fact, no one should be replacing a cam without replacing the followers, and no one should replace the followers and not replace the cam.
So, a kit is normal. If you go to buy a cam for an engine like in my cars - you often get a kit - cam and either 12 or 16 lifters, depending on engine.
The reason you can buy a bare cam, not in a kit, is because some people have their favorite brand of lifters for other vehicles - for these, it won't matter.
So really, they should never sell a cam that's not in kit form.
It's not because of a problem justifying it - it's how they should have always been sold from day one - never just a cam by itself.

I already have the seals and gaskets. Don't need more of the same.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

I already have the seals and gaskets. Don't need more of the same.

You can still probably buy the followers and cam.

Did you buy the seals and gaskets without having looked inside to see what all was necessary? Or did you already have those from way back?

My point was - I was surprised they didn't sell those parts as a kit to begin with.
Heck of a lot easier and often cheaper than finding and buying each part individually.
Historically, you could get timing chain kits (which had the timing cover seal and gasket), valve job kits, and more - and they include the hard parts, seals, gaskets, whatever. It's a convenience thing for sure.

 

[Stan H]

You can still probably buy the followers and cam.

Did you buy the seals and gaskets without having looked inside to see what all was necessary? Or did you already have those from way back?

My point was - I was surprised they didn't sell those parts as a kit to begin with.
Heck of a lot easier and often cheaper than finding and buying each part individually.
Historically, you could get timing chain kits (which had the timing cover seal and gasket), valve job kits, and more - and they include the hard parts, seals, gaskets, whatever. It's a convenience thing for sure.

If it finally happens to mine I would prefer a kit also

 

[MPMB]

You can still probably buy the followers and cam.

Did you buy the seals and gaskets without having looked inside to see what all was necessary? Or did you already have those from way back?

My point was - I was surprised they didn't sell those parts as a kit to begin with.
Heck of a lot easier and often cheaper than finding and buying each part individually.
Historically, you could get timing chain kits (which had the timing cover seal and gasket), valve job kits, and more - and they include the hard parts, seals, gaskets, whatever. It's a convenience thing for sure.

I was really hoping it wasn't the rocker/cam issue. Eternal optimist here.

Ordered the kit this AM. Estimated ship date: August 15. At least it's parked in front of the garage door I don't need to take anything out of.

I was so tempted to order off Amazon from sellers like ZWIZITK, totally reputable companies. /s

 

[JTmac]

Been waiting 6 weeks for cam kit. Called to check in. Parts department says nationwide backorder over 12,000 units of which 122 have been fulfilled. No idea when I will get one.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Been waiting 6 weeks for cam kit. Called to check in. Parts department says nationwide backorder over 12,000 units of which 122 have been fulfilled. No idea when I will get one. Ridiculous!

That's old numbers - and from talking with my dealership, that 122 is bogus.
If that number were true, then the one dealership here got 10% of those and there's no way that's the case.
122 MAYBE for their depot, but not nationwide.
Think about it - less than per state? Naw.

 

[chr15m]

Just got back from the dealer, turns out this issue is a known defect that they have no intent to fix as it was a covert litmus test specifically engineered into approximately 7.6% of all PUGs being made currently. The camshaft shortage is in fact also intentional, a fail safe as you could call it to ensure the purpose of aforementioned litmus test.

Essentially once the failure (which may in fact be a complete success) occurs the subject is then subject to the second stage of the test where primarily they are presented with the "leap of faith" test. This test of course is where you are asked to foot the cost of tear down and then also given little confidence from the test proctor. The final step before moving to the introduction of the cam shaft stage is to insinuate that the warranty, if applicable may be denied. Extra credit given if the proctor is also able to gather any information on the use of 5W-20 for use in said denial.

If the subject expresses any emotional distress they are either tobe dealt with in one of two ways. First, suggest or refer to sales to purchase a brand new loan (also known as vehicle). Second, dispose of all private information gathered with willing consent that was implied when it was written on any paper (no verbal consent needed) to the highest bidder of a competitors or affiliate brand. Extra credit given for recommendations to other manufacturers also utilizing the Phase 1 Cam Phaser Lifter Rattle Delaminated Rocker and Roller Protocol Ver.1.2 , IE: Ford, Ram, Jeep, Chevrolet.

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Happy Friday Guys

 

[Hootbro]

Just got back from the dealer, turns out this issue is a known defect that they have no intent to fix as it was a covert litmus test specifically engineered into approximately 7.6% of all PUGs being made currently. The camshaft shortage is in fact also intentional, a fail safe as you could call it to ensure the purpose of aforementioned litmus test.

Essentially once the failure (which may in fact be a complete success) occurs the subject is then subject to the second stage of the test where primarily they are presented with the "leap of faith" test. This test of course is where you are asked to foot the cost of tear down and then also given little confidence from the test proctor. The final step before moving to the introduction of the cam shaft stage is to insinuate that the warranty, if applicable may be denied. Extra credit given if the proctor is also able to gather any information on the use of 5W-20 for use in said denial.

If the subject expresses any emotional distress they are either tobe dealt with in one of two ways. First, suggest or refer to sales to purchase a brand new loan (also known as vehicle). Second, dispose of all private information gathered with willing consent that was implied when it was written on any paper (no verbal consent needed) to the highest bidder of a competitors or affiliate brand. Extra credit given for recommendations to other manufacturers also utilizing the Phase 1 Cam Phaser Lifter Rattle Delaminated Rocker and Roller Protocol Ver.1.2 , IE: Ford, Ram, Jeep, Chevrolet.

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Happy Friday Guys

Stop, you are going to scare the small children around here.

 

[imallcrawl]

Stop, you are going to scare the small children around here.

That'll be me.

 

[Stan H]

Stop, you are going to scare the small children around here.

If mine was here Id go out start it let it warm 5 mins. And have wife film me doing a small burnt out to pick everyone's spirits up a little bit Hiyo! Silver away !!!

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Just got back from the dealer, turns out this issue is a known defect that they have no intent to fix as it was a covert litmus test specifically engineered into approximately 7.6% of all PUGs being made currently. The camshaft shortage is in fact also intentional, a fail safe as you could call it to ensure the purpose of aforementioned litmus test.

Essentially once the failure (which may in fact be a complete success) occurs the subject is then subject to the second stage of the test where primarily they are presented with the "leap of faith" test. This test of course is where you are asked to foot the cost of tear down and then also given little confidence from the test proctor. The final step before moving to the introduction of the cam shaft stage is to insinuate that the warranty, if applicable may be denied. Extra credit given if the proctor is also able to gather any information on the use of 5W-20 for use in said denial.

If the subject expresses any emotional distress they are either tobe dealt with in one of two ways. First, suggest or refer to sales to purchase a brand new loan (also known as vehicle). Second, dispose of all private information gathered with willing consent that was implied when it was written on any paper (no verbal consent needed) to the highest bidder of a competitors or affiliate brand. Extra credit given for recommendations to other manufacturers also utilizing the Phase 1 Cam Phaser Lifter Rattle Delaminated Rocker and Roller Protocol Ver.1.2 , IE: Ford, Ram, Jeep, Chevrolet.

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Happy Friday Guys

And all of that information you got from a dealership and they have the inside scoop, right?

You say over 7% "currently" - uh, what about those made in 2019, 2020, have had cams replaced once, maybe even twice.
And a dealership is passing this confidential information along - because?

The problem is - the numbers we're seeing aren't anywhere close to 7%

 

[Hootbro]

And all of that information you got from a dealership and they have the inside scoop, right?

You say over 7% "currently" - uh, what about those made in 2019, 2020, have had cams replaced once, maybe even twice.
And a dealership is passing this confidential information along - because?

The problem is - the numbers we're seeing aren't anywhere close to 7%

Spit the lure out Bill, it is an extremely well written troll post.

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