They are twisting things - go back and read all of the FACTS Jrgunn5150 posted about this very topic. He's got inside info. Those rags just take words and twist them around.
Forged internals and supercharge it.
This is your problem Bill.. you can’t provide any engineering proof that it can’t be done.Do you understand how these things get the tow ratings that they do - the standard SAE test they must endure - fully loaded, up mountain inclines and so on............ Sure, I could stick a hemi in mine and tow just fine. But I'd likely fail the standardized testing in the mountains.
This is a small part of it - and notice the temperature and AC requirements -
To simulate some of the toughest conditions a truck and trailer combination will face, the J2807 “Highway Gradeability” tests take place on a well-known stretch of Arizona highway, the 11.4-mile-long Davis Dam Grade. If trucks are not tested on this specific stretch of steep road, they can be run in a simulation using a “climactic” wind tunnel. Ambient temperature plays a significant role in this test with a minimum temperature of 100 degrees required at the base of the grade. In addition to a hot climate outside the truck, the test requires the air conditioning system to be set at maximum cold, with outside air selected (not recirculating) and the fan running at full blower speed.
Do you think those conversions will pass that and all of the other tests - and never get too hot, no MIL, no breakdowns, etc?
Of course someone who has had the conversion done is going to say yes it tows fine - but they don't have to run it through the rigorous testing truck makers do.
People are letting their emotions and "they could do it if they want to" get in the way of certain realities.
Yeah, you've told us that. So? Totally different circumstances. You had no restrictions at all. Nothing preventing you from cutting or fabricating or modifying to make it work, and, you were not having to pass specific testing.
So it doesn't even compare, it's not at all the same thing. You weren't trying to tow 7,000 pounds of trailer up 11 miles of 6% grade with FULL AC on with a 100 degree ambient temperature at the start of the test.
And - BTW - yeah, same here, so what? Been there, done that. And, I worked in production shops for years and currently do restorations and engine builds. So as long as we're comparing credentials.......... how far ya wanna go? I've been trying to avoid that as folks here tire of it.
Oh, and it's real interesting that cars "back then" that put out less HP had a 2 row core radiator, but the larger displacements and higher HP models of the same exact car, had a 3 row core. There were other differences as well - even back in the 1960s the engineers knew - more engine, more heat, need more cooling.
I added about 70 HP to one of the cars I have now and had to add a shroud and different radiator to keep it cool.
How do you expect him to provide it? The only engineering proof is held by Jeep, and they are not releasing it. The fact that a V8 has never been an option since they started rolling off the line in March of 2019 speaks volumes. His explanation and reasoning is about as good as is going to be available until someone from Jeep speaks out. There is the interview with the Jeep Engineer from 2019 who talked about the cooling issues they encountered with the current design.
At least my opinion is backed by decades of real world work, a degree in automotive and having researched the engineering documents on engine cooling/heat rejection quite deeply.
Go and read the 4xe gladiator thread where hes all in for a hybrid jt that may or may not be able to haul much but "most people just use their trucks to run errands etc. so its not a big deal". But mention using the 5.7 in the jt and its like throwing holy water on a vampire.
You'd better go back and read and comprehend what I REALLY said - I said "IF it could maintain payload AND TOWING. IF. I had my doubts if you read the posts. It seemed iffy as I compared the current JT weight to what it would weigh with the HV batteries and then questioned how they could possibly maintain payload.Go and read the 4xe gladiator thread where hes all in for a hybrid jt that may or may not be able to haul much but "most people just use their trucks to run errands etc. so its not a big deal". But mention using the 5.7 in the jt and its like throwing holy water on a vampire.
I appreciate his input on most everything on this forum except this topic because hes clearly heavily invested in EV. Its absolutely hilarious to me how much he dislikes jeep enthusiasts talking about the possibilities of using the 5.7 in the jt. "We've already covered this topic"
Go to any facebook group or youtube video talking about the subject and there is almost unanimous enthusiasm on the possibility of the 5.7 in the jt. People dont spend 40k on phev gladiator engine transplants because no one makes them....because no one wants them that bad. The 5.7 is a different story.
And Cafe can go learn to code.
LOL - you couldn't transplant the 4xe system into a Jeep if you wanted to. Have you even seen how different the whole frame and floor pan is? The cooling system, the cabling, the fuel tank nd more? I'd venture to say - it's not possible at all. Crawl under one, flip the rear seats up, look in the cargo area - batteries everywhere. Huge cables, massive cooling lines, solenoids and valves around every corner.
Yeah, no one has bothered to even READ the first 10 pages of this very thread - they jump into the end as if they walked into the end of a party and insist the band start playing all over again. No one bothers to read the first pages of a thread to see what's already been said.
Funny thing - someone here said that all of the FB and other places people were screaming in great numbers for a V8 in the JT.
Yeah, because someone said that no one ever uses them as a truck anyway. Most people just use the Gladiator to run errands........... ignore the fact that huge numbers of members here tow boats, campers, skid loaders, toy haulers, and I tow a car hauler and use it to haul heavy loads of scrap iron out.
Someone in another Jeep-related forum had a good point - heat is one reason the diesel version of the JT had lower tow ratings........... so there goes the "can't be heat related" bit. Otherwise, the diesel is an ideal towing machine with tons of low-end torque. But keeping it cool for the testing - didn't work out well (and perhaps weight was a factor) but in the other forums, it was blamed on heat. They suggested that the V8 would be derated when it got hot............... well, that would tick some folks off!
