6 MT and cruise control

[Iowafarm]

Because when I pull them out they always say had the cruise on , and it just spun out on me. I pull out people all the time. In the winter they are slick alot. The dot hits us last here.

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[NachoRuby]

Because when I pull them out they always say had the cruise on , and it just spun out on me. I pull out people all the time. In the winter they are slick alot. The dot hits us last here.

You're right, it definitely shouldn't be used when it is slick out, but otherwise, I use it all the time. Short trip, long trip, medium trip, doesn't matter to me.

 

[redriderjf87]

What you have cited are not practical advantages.

They are personal preferences. I would never try to suggest your choice is wrong. But its about likes, and feelings, not about any actual real advantage. You like what you like, and that is reason enough to get a MT.

I write this as someone for whom the Gladiator is only my 2nd AT vehicle. So I get it.

But there is no practical reason to get a MT in a Gladiator other than the $2000 buy in.

Lower chance of theft. No failure modes involving electronics, potentially $ saved long term. I consider those practical.

 

[dcmdon]

Unless you need the towing capacity, since the manual is rated much lower there, the entire premise of choosing a transmission is personal preference. Practicality is irrelevant, because once you know how to drive an MT they are equally practical. It's just an option. Some people like tan seats, some people like black seats. Leather or cloth? Hydro Blue or Gobi? It's just another choice to pick from. Some people strongly prefer one choice to another.

The gas mileage difference on this platform is moot. They are rated at a dead heat, and the fuel economy threads all seem to confirm this in the real world. So it just comes to choice/preference (except maximum towing capacity).

Not really. Some cars have known issues with the MT or AT so you buy the one that is more reliable. Some vehicles get appreciably better fuel economy with one transmission or the other. And finally some vehicles perform better with one transmission over the other.

In the Gladiator's case, the AT seems to be more reliable, fuel economy is a wash,

Lower chance of theft. No failure modes involving electronics, potentially $ saved long term. I consider those practical.

I disagree. I can break into your Jeep, pop it into neutral and push pull, or even roll it away. There is no steering lock on a Gladiator. So I could attach a line to another vehicle and you could drive it behind me.

An AT at least has park. Though I get your point in that most people can't drive a MT anymore. But the benefit of a MT in that respect really only comes into play if you leave the keys in it.

Good point about electronics.

I don't see $ saved when you consider clutch replacement.

 

[redriderjf87]

Not really. Some cars have known issues with the MT or AT so you buy the one that is more reliable. Some vehicles get appreciably better fuel economy with one transmission or the other. And finally some vehicles perform better with one transmission over the other.

In the Gladiator's case, the AT seems to be more reliable, fuel economy is a wash,


I disagree. I can break into your Jeep, pop it into neutral and push pull, or even roll it away. There is no steering lock on a Gladiator. So I could attach a line to another vehicle and you could drive it behind me.

An AT at least has park. Though I get your point in that most people can't drive a MT anymore. But the benefit of a MT in that respect really only comes into play if you leave the keys in it.

Good point about electronics.

I don't see $ saved when you consider clutch replacement.

If I save time or money in potential repair at any point, then that is a practical and objective advantage.

Fewer people know how to drive manuals than autos. Fewer people therefore can steal a manual by means of driving it. An auto or manual can both be stolen by a tow vehicle. An auto would require lifting the back wheels, a manual in neutral could be flat towed, agreed. I say the manual has a lower in probability taking that all into account.

If 1 attempted theft is prevented or detered by that reduced probability, that is a practical advantage.

Just being objective, to the point of listing practical reasons someone may choose MT in this case. No emotion or sarcasm.

 

[Gvsukids]

I wonder if this can be simulated in a non ACC Jeep...Not sure how but I wonder if its possible. Jscan, Tazer, etc...

Nope.

 

[NachoRuby]

Not really. Some cars have known issues with the MT or AT so you buy the one that is more reliable. Some vehicles get appreciably better fuel economy with one transmission or the other. And finally some vehicles perform better with one transmission over the other.

Not really, I just always buy the manual, and if it's not available, I choose a different vehicle where it is. That's my primary criteria when I buy a car. It will be until this one wears out and I get a direct drive e-jeep or Rivian, or something. I only buy manual. It's what I drive, and that's it. I immediately write off any vehicle I can't get with a stick. I've never had an "unreliable" one. I don't care if others drive an automatic, and I don't think all jeeps need to be sticks. I'm not that guy. But MY vehicle absolutely needs to be a stick. My wife feels the same way. We make the active choice to only buy manuals. Neither of us has had one ever fail.

I have never once had a transmission fail on any vehicle I've ever owned, so reliability is of zero concern. If the clutch wears out, I'll put a new one in. No big deal. The only clutches I've burned up (2) have been from drag racing, on the drag strip though. And my wife burned one up when she first learned, on a TJ in traffic. But we just replaced them and kept on going. I'm done drag racing and my wife is a pro now. I don't think anyone makes truly bad transmissions of any type anymore, excepting of course manufacturing defects.

In none of the vehicles I've owned has the manual gotten appreciably worse mpg than the automatic version. The challenger I had got like one worse highway or something like that. Not enough to notice or matter. Many of them, the manual has gotten better, but not appreciably. About the same. Not enough to matter more than maybe $100 a year, even as much as I drive (20000 plus miles per year)

 

[NachoRuby]

I disagree. I can break into your Jeep, pop it into neutral and push pull, or even roll it away. There is no steering lock on a Gladiator. So I could attach a line to another vehicle and you could drive it behind me.

An AT at least has park.

Since even the auto has a manual transfer case, just shift it to neutral to move it. Also, automotics, almost universally, and definitely on the Jeep, have a shifter override. Pull up the shifter bezel, pull the orange lever, and boom, you can shift to neutral. And yes thieves and tow companies know this.

Your choice isn't more practical. It's just more practical for you. That's fine. I think the folks on here with manuals have all told you, we didn't do it primarily for cost, although that's a nice perk. We bought it for preference. I prefer Nacho and manual. My wife prefers Billet and manual. You like your Hydro Blue and auto. Some folks like diesel. That's fine.

See you on the trails.

 

[OHJeeper]

I don't have a practical reason for owning an MT, but I have my reasons:

1) It's just FUN to drive
2) It requires more skill on the difficult trails
3) I feel more "connected" to my rig
4) Without it, my left leg gets bored and eventually atrophies from lack of use

 

[TroutFishingInAmerica]

My dog helped me pick out my truck, he prefers a stick.

 

[Litfuse]

Not really, I just always buy the manual, and if it's not available, I choose a different vehicle where it is. That's my primary criteria when I buy a car. It will be until this one wears out and I get a direct drive e-jeep or Rivian, or something. I only buy manual. It's what I drive, and that's it. I immediately write off any vehicle I can't get with a stick. I've never had an "unreliable" one. I don't care if others drive an automatic, and I don't think all jeeps need to be sticks. I'm not that guy. But MY vehicle absolutely needs to be a stick. My wife feels the same way. We make the active choice to only buy manuals. Neither of us has had one ever fail.

I have never once had a transmission fail on any vehicle I've ever owned, so reliability is of zero concern. If the clutch wears out, I'll put a new one in. No big deal. The only clutches I've burned up (2) have been from drag racing, on the drag strip though. And my wife burned one up when she first learned, on a TJ in traffic. But we just replaced them and kept on going. I'm done drag racing and my wife is a pro now. I don't think anyone makes truly bad transmissions of any type anymore, excepting of course manufacturing defects.

In none of the vehicles I've owned has the manual gotten appreciably worse mpg than the automatic version. The challenger I had got like one worse highway or something like that. Not enough to notice or matter. Many of them, the manual has gotten better, but not appreciably. About the same. Not enough to matter more than maybe $100 a year, even as much as I drive (20000 plus miles per year)

Tell that to the mt-82 Mustang guys. That’s not a good manual transmission.

 

[Geoarch]

I absolutely DO NOT miss those things...My F150 had everything (auto wipers, auto high beams, ACC, etc) and I either didn't use or turn most off. They were more of a pain in the as than anything. The ACC would brake so hard when other cars merged it was unusable. I think its a decent idea and have no clue how it works on Jeeps but I don't think they are ready for the real world just yet. I bought my Mojave with some options but made sure I had more control than my car...

Somewhat off subject but I didn’t order ACC and got it and charged for it on the JTR.

 

[TroutFishingInAmerica]

 

[ShadowsPapa]

I would think it would disengage once your clutch in. Otherwise you would down shift and while disengaged from the trans the rpm's would just shoot sky high, no? Maybe I'm over thinking it.

No, you are correct. Since the 1990s, the PCM (as it was in 1994) compared road speed with engine speed and if the engine speed suddenly surged compared to road speed, cruise would disengage.
I am paranoid so when I put the 4.0 in my car (with T5) I also put a switch on the clutch pedal and tied it to the NSS PCM input which told the PCM the vehicle was in park/neutral when the clutch was pressed.
So either way, mine releases cruise if I press the clutch......... but it's been that way for decades in Jeeps.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

To be more specific, when I press the clutch or gas I get a "Driver Override" message in the cluster, but as soon as I release the clutch, the ACC picks back up.

That makes sense for ACC..........

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