Auto Start/Stop to be removed says EPA chief

[Supazuk]

I have said it I programed it off .. I think my honest dislike of it might stem from driving shit box with a manual in traffic growing up .. I guess it might be kinda like a PTSD lol

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[JTdiRtyD]

But it irritates them, makes them angry, it's annoying!
(so is half the world, including all of the evening news, almost all facebook posts, most of the drivers on the road, and so on)
Our constitution guarantees us the right to not be annoyed!

Clearly it annoys you that people don't like it.

I'm not sure whats more annoying, having to push the button, people complaining about pushing the button, or people complaining about people complaining about pushing the button.

 

[DylanM]

I think my honest dislike of it might stem from driving shit box with a manual in traffic growing up .. I guess it might be kinda like a PTSD lol

My reaction to a T.
Slow down and come to a full stop, engine apparently dies, and immediately my mind is going, "Great, WTF is wrong now?"

 

[Supazuk]

Clearly it annoys you that people don't like it.

I'm not sure whats more annoying, having to push the button, people complaining about pushing the button, or people complaining about people complaining about pushing the button.

what about people that know everything about the button?

 

[Trebuchet57]

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/epa-targets-engine-start-stop-systems-cars

 

[NC_Overland]

No way!?!? Seriously!?!? Thanks for the breaking news!!!!

 

[ConqSoft]

Already a discussion here.

EPA chief posts on X that they are "fixing" Stop/Start | Jeep Gladiator (JT) News, Forum, Community - JeepGladiatorForum.com

 

[smlobx]

….l
Name the list of cars/trucks where it remembers the last setting. I'm not finding many that do this, only a small handful, European market mostly.

A quick AI search reveals that the F-150, some other Fords, Some Subarus and BMW’s also can do this. Although not listed Porsche‘s can be disabled as well.

 

[Neomonk21]

I'm glad they are doing this. I bought the SmartStartStop for $120 and am happy with my purchase. I'll keep it installed until this gets changed by Jeep.

 

[GeneralMaximus]

A quick AI search reveals that the F-150, some other Fords, Some Subarus and BMW’s also can do this. Although not listed Porsche‘s can be disabled as well.

I’ve mentioned this before, but sometime around 2016, they changed the rules so that the ESS button resets after every shutdown. My 2015 Porsche is grandfathered in and retains its ESS memory(and has been “OFF” for the last ten years).

 

[Deleted member 57233]

I'm glad they are doing this. I bought the SmartStartStop for $120 and am happy with my purchase. I'll keep it installed until this gets changed by Jeep.

Do you think the EPA is going to remove the ESS from your Jeep?

 

[ShadowsPapa]

I'm glad they are doing this. I bought the SmartStartStop for $120 and am happy with my purchase. I'll keep it installed until this gets changed by Jeep.

It won't get changed on existing vehicles. You can count on that.

I’ve mentioned this before, but sometime around 2016, they changed the rules so that the ESS button resets after every shutdown. My 2015 Porsche is grandfathered in and retains its ESS memory(and has been “OFF” for the last ten years).

Yes, one has to take into account model year - as well as other factors. It's not a simple "add it and get this" thing.
I'm meaning the list of the 2020 and later where ESS can be turned off - and stay off through multiple restart cycles.
Again, being a rule, in 3 to 4 years, any change made now can be undone with the swipe of a pen. They aren't going to go out and disable it on existing vehicles - the company has already gotten the credits. I also suspect you'd see things tangled in court cases for months. And then there's the cost of programming and actual hardware mods in some cases to undo what's already out there.
Does anyone REALLY believe FCA is going to pay someone to devise the disable code and then give it away? Or even bother with it at all? They have gotten the credits, they have sold the vehicle.
This is a "moving forward" bit, not a retroactive bit.

 

[ourjeeps]

EXACTLY.
The precious Jeeps people have and complain about the ESS would likely not exist were it not for these "cheat" or "credits".
Jeep can't survive without it. If you want Jeep to keep on living, you will just have to adapt and accept that in order to survive, they must sell to a global market and either do what's necessary, or pay massive fines year after year and fold, go away.

There's no AMC to come along and save them this time, and no Iacocca to come along and save them again. It's the end of the line - survive or don't survive.

Well stated, Pragmatically. 100%

That said, my family is constantly seeking out ways to minimize government intrusion into our personal lives, personal property, and businesses.

We didn't dedicate some 27+ years of our lives in the US Military to put up with these misguided, often blatantly incorrect, bureaucratic intrusions that go against well-established logistics and sustainment practices.

In words, our personal and business Freedoms are paramount. We support rolling back excessive regulations for citizens and businesses. Such is the case here.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Well stated, Pragmatically. 100%

That said, my family is constantly seeking out ways to minimize government intrusion into our personal lives, personal property, and businesses.

We didn't dedicate some 27+ years of our lives in the US Military to put up with these misguided, often blatantly incorrect, bureaucratic intrusions that go against well-established logistics and sustainment practices.

In words, our personal and business Freedoms are paramount. We support rolling back excessive regulations for citizens and businesses. Such is the case here.

Yeah, glad you maybe saw I'm not "all for it", not "all in", but I understand where it's coming from.

You don't have to like something (or even someone) to understand the line of thinking or reasoning behind it or them.
There's a lot of things out there I don't like - but I understand and get where it's coming from. Are there better alternatives? Quite often - but then, we're dealing with people who aren't engineers who are making some of these choices.
(my next comment, which I won't make so that mods don't get upset, would border on political)

I bet there's a better way to accomplish the same thing - just that this is already here, in place, all of the engineering and research and proof of concept was done decades ago. Hard to convince them to "start over".

 

[Sweetums]

I posted at Stellantis and Jeep. Maybe @JeepCares should see it too.

Rule of unintended consequences.
Auto stop-start was a way of meeting emissions requirements in testing, what will be the method of meeting those requirement if you take this away? I know that nobody likes auto-start-stop, but it's easy to defeat with aftermarket options and your vehicle is still legal.

I'd rather they get rid of EGR and keep the auto-start-stop. One of these can be addressed with a Taser or similar device, the other means if I change it I can't pass emissions.

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