Baxter Performance oil filter adapter

[hpva]

Anyone ever hear of or use the Baxter performance cartridge oil filter adapter for the 3.6?

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[CoachA]

I installed one in my 2020 JTR with the gas engine. Likely, I’ll never be able to tell if it makes a significant difference in engine life as I can’t run a controlled study. The theory behind it seems sound.

 

[Gren71]

Now that im out of 100k warranty period ive been beating around the idea of this. If for nothing else switching to a more traditional oil filter. ?‍

 

[whysoserious]

Anyone ever hear of or use the Baxter performance cartridge oil filter adapter for the 3.6?

You can look here for all of the varying opinions.

Hmm, this is an interesting solution. No More Dry Starts | Jeep Gladiator (JT) News, Forum, Community - JeepGladiatorForum.com

 

[whysoserious]

You can look here for all of the varying opinions.

Hmm, this is an interesting solution. No More Dry Starts | Jeep Gladiator (JT) News, Forum, Community - JeepGladiatorForum.com

Also, and I have no buy in on this whatsoever, but many in this forum will say that the stock cartridge setup doesn't allow oil to drain until you unscrew the housing. But Baxter has a video showing the oil draining out of the housing in about 30 minutes after shutdown. Personally, I'm with @Gren71 about the idea of using a canister filter.

 

[willys 41]

I have the Baxter on both my 2020 and 2018 3.6 Wranglers
Greatly reduces the valve train rattle on startups
To those that are saying the the factory filler housing doesn't drain down over time. A simple test
Let your jeep set over night
Remove the oil filter
You wont see an oil filter dripping in oil
What you will see a almost dry oil filter
The Baxter has an anti drain back valve and also the spin on oil filter also has anti drain back valving keeping the oil up in the oil filter

 

[BourbonRunner]

Couple things come to mind:

1. The switch from cartridge style to spin on isn't really improving much here outside of being able to use a cheap filter from Pep Boys instead of OEM.

2. If Jeep's engineers didn't think to include a check valve in line with the OEM housing then that's just more bean counters dictating to the engineers what they should do instead of the other way around. In that case the Baxter adapter kind of makes sense but I still wouldn't want to switch to a spin on from a cartridge.

FWIW, BMWs and other high performance Euro motors have been using high pressure cartridge systems with check valves for decades, and IMO they're better than spin on's by a mile for a number of reasons including the ability to inspect the filter easily for debris without draining the oil and the ability to operate at higher pressure.

 

[willys 41]

I also remember the first time I did an oil change on my 2020 with the factory set up
I looked at the oil filter housing and said. This is going to be a mess oil is going to go all over the motor
I wrapped a bunch of rags around the filter housing and unscrewed the cap and to my surprise looking into the housing there was NO oil and when I pulled the filter out these was no oil poring out or dripping off the filter
That's when I started looking into the Baxter system
After talking to Joe at the 4X4 shop. He has installed dozens of them so I gave it a try and glad I did
I just wish I had done it sooner

 

[willys 41]

I will say again
Do the test
Let your jeep set over night
Remove the oil filter
You wont see an oil filter dripping in oil
What you will see a almost dry oil filter
I prefer to have an oil filter full of oil every time I start my motor
You can do what you want

 

[Minty JL]

I have the Baxter on both my 2020 and 2018 3.6 Wranglers
Greatly reduces the valve train rattle on startups
To those that are saying the the factory filler housing doesn't drain down over time. A simple test
Let your jeep set over night
Remove the oil filter
You wont see an oil filter dripping in oil
What you will see a almost dry oil filter
The Baxter has an anti drain back valve and also the spin on oil filter also has anti drain back valving keeping the oil up in the oil filter

I installed one on my '23 JTM at 9500 miles, everything said above is true. It's silent on start up now. Makes me feel better about longevity with my 3.6 now. Hopefully I will not have the cam and lifter use since it's not having dry starts......fingers crossed

I also do my oil changes about every 4500-5000 miles with Royal Purple 0w20. I'm also running a Corsa catch can too.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Why? Should I?
if I start the engine and the oil light is out within 1 second, and there's no clatter, am I hurting the engine? How am I hurting it?
People are freaking out over a filter not holding a quart of oil after shut-down. So? What's it matter?
We have very high volume pumps in these engines - in fact, it's such a high volume that it can easily hit 80 psi at RPM below 3,000.
Tell me what's being hurt and why we aren't seeing massive engine destruction on the PUG 3.6
All anyone can talk about is "look it's empty" and I say - so?

I believe I have also read in some of the FCA tech documents that the system holds a certain amount of oil pressure in the intake valve lash adjusters, meaning that the passages to the high lift portion is charged and ready, with oil held in it.

Ironically, the only testing that's been done is on one engine showing oil drain-down while sitting. Why not test to see how fast pressure is built during cranking and initial firing of the engine? Bet that would show that this is a nothing-burger.
the oil pumps in these blow away pretty much anything else we're used to. The massive volume of oil it can supply means that canister, if it DOES drain back, is filled pretty much the moment you hear the thing firing.
So, why hasn't anyone shown how fast the oil galleries are charged when you do a cold start?
Everyone talks of the draining - but no one covers the other side which should show the draining as a "so what?" thing. So what if it drains back?
Only non-engine people are talking of it - yikes, it's empty! My engine will be trashed without this!
To prove it's necessary, you also have to prove that beyond the filter housing being devoid of oil while sitting long-term, that it's devoid of oil for a long time after the engine fires - long enough to do any damage at all.
I submit that it's not - as if it were, engineers, smarter people than those buying into things like this, would spend $2 to put a simple valve in place.

Show me the damage, show me that these stay empty for a time period long enough to do even a little damage when you do a normal start.
Put a fitting in the housing with a mechanical gauge that shows there's no pressure in the housing for a period of time that can possibly do damage - or at least put a camera in there showing that the engine fires and runs for a couple of seconds before it's filled.
Millions of 3.6 Pentastar engines produced, many of them 100,000 miles or more and no one worried about this until someone said they need to worry about it - and made a buck in the process.

 

[Minty JL]

Couple things come to mind:

1. The switch from cartridge style to spin on isn't really improving much here outside of being able to use a cheap filter from Pep Boys instead of OEM.

2. If Jeep's engineers didn't think to include a check valve in line with the OEM housing then that's just more bean counters dictating to the engineers what they should do instead of the other way around. In that case the Baxter adapter kind of makes sense but I still wouldn't want to switch to a spin on from a cartridge.

FWIW, BMWs and other high performance Euro motors have been using high pressure cartridge systems with check valves for decades, and IMO they're better than spin on's by a mile for a number of reasons including the ability to inspect the filter easily for debris without draining the oil and the ability to operate at higher pressure.

I see your point, but not all engineers are equal. The 3.6 is NOT a check valve style, therefore after 20 minutes from the engine is dry aka all of the oil is in the bottom end/oil pan. Takes 3-4 seconds after start up for the cams and valve train to be getting oil........that's a long time.

Think about ramming your crank into a chick with no foreplay..........I rest my case

 

[Minty JL]

Why? Should I?
if I start the engine and the oil light is out within 1 second, and there's no clatter, am I hurting the engine? How am I hurting it?
People are freaking out over a filter not holding a quart of oil after shut-down. So? What's it matter?
We have very high volume pumps in these engines - in fact, it's such a high volume that it can easily hit 80 psi at RPM below 3,000.
Tell me what's being hurt and why we aren't seeing massive engine destruction on the PUG 3.6
All anyone can talk about is "look it's empty" and I say - so?

I believe I have also read in some of the FCA tech documents that the system holds a certain amount of oil pressure in the intake valve lash adjusters, meaning that the passages to the high lift portion is charged and ready, with oil held in it.

Ironically, the only testing that's been done is on one engine showing oil drain-down while sitting. Why not test to see how fast pressure is built during cranking and initial firing of the engine? Bet that would show that this is a nothing-burger.
the oil pumps in these blow away pretty much anything else we're used to. The massive volume of oil it can supply means that canister, if it DOES drain back, is filled pretty much the moment you hear the thing firing.
So, why hasn't anyone shown how fast the oil galleries are charged when you do a cold start?
Everyone talks of the draining - but no one covers the other side which should show the draining as a "so what?" thing. So what if it drains back?
Only non-engine people are talking of it - yikes, it's empty! My engine will be trashed without this!
To prove it's necessary, you also have to prove that beyond the filter housing being devoid of oil while sitting long-term, that it's devoid of oil for a long time after the engine fires - long enough to do any damage at all.
I submit that it's not - as if it were, engineers, smarter people than those buying into things like this, would spend $2 to put a simple valve in place.

Show me the damage, show me that these stay empty for a time period long enough to do even a little damage when you do a normal start.
Put a fitting in the housing with a mechanical gauge that shows there's no pressure in the housing for a period of time that can possibly do damage - or at least put a camera in there showing that the engine fires and runs for a couple of seconds before it's filled.
Millions of 3.6 Pentastar engines produced, many of them 100,000 miles or more and no one worried about this until someone said they need to worry about it - and made a buck in the process.

I see you point Bill, but let's be honest.......the 3.6 is know for valve train issues. Is it from lack of oil........ I'd wager it's NOT a moot point. No oil whether for 1-4 seconds regardless of the engine is bad.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Takes 3-4 seconds after start up for the cams and valve train to be getting oil........that's a long time.

Really? Your oil light stays on for that long? Mine is running pressure almost before all cylinders fire. It goes out FAST. That says everything has oil.
All it takes is enough pressure to turn off the light to be oiling critical parts. The higher pressure is needed for the phasers, etc. otherwise, it takes very little pressure to lubricate because pressure doesn't lubricate, flow does, oil film does.

.the 3.6 is know for valve train issues.

2020 JT is, not so much later model years. They had issues that were more likely from the cams or followers themselves. Otherwise, any 2020 3.6 that had a cam and followers replaced in 10,000 miles should keep having the same cam and followers replaced multiple times in its life.
Some of us are more of the thinking that it was a parts issue, or possible the exhaust lash adjuster issue as that's where the intake cam and followers get their oiling from - the exhaust lash adjusters shooting over through the exhaust followers onto the intake cam..
Why aren't we seeing the numbers in 22 and later model years?
I'd bet that it doesn't take 3-4 seconds for the valve train to get oil.........
Remember, it's a high volume pump - it moves a lot of oil fast. It's not a gear pump like everyone here is used to.

Why aren't the 2022/2023 engines losing cams in droves?

As far as ticking - FCA has admitted there's a potential lash adjuster issue........... bet they are bleeding out too fast and not operating properly, as opposed to an oiling issue. FCA says replace the lash adjusters.
We can't go backwards and include Wrangler prior to 2018 because they had the old 3.6, not the upgrade. They didn't have the new oil pump system. So when talking "known valve train issues" we have to limit it to the upgrade engine, and I see nothing beyond 2020 save for a random loss here or there which happens with anything, and the internet magnifies it.

 

[willys 41]

Minty JL
I do the same. oil filter every 5K
Here is another upgrade I just recently installed and am super happy with the results

https://www.jlwranglerforums.com/forum/threads/radiator-fan-issue.100364/

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