Excellent point. The salesperson doesn't get it. As you mention, the competitive thing is a great comeback. Then just add "we could make it CPO or better yet for you, just take the money and buy the extended warranty that the CPO offers or something better suited for your needs."
I wouldn’t let the dealerships around here even look at my JTs unless there was a really good reason for it. My perspective is that “free” can cost the owner, with little to no risk of some untrained beginner. If the dealerships around here would send me home without fully reattaching the steering components ( even after returning for a QA check ) then why in the heck would I trust their even less skilled staff under the hood? Makes no sense whatsoever to me; I’ll do what I can, and it’ll be performed better, until I can’t . That said, I can print out a personal maintenance log that I keep in Google sheets, and it’s probably more true/honest than some of the dealership maintenance logs that I’ve seen
Nope. I initially leased mine, because they had stupid good leases in 2020 and then it was worth a lot more than the buy out at the end of the lease. No such stipulation. On any lease really. I’ve leased a lot of vehicles.
Generally yes, but warranties also "require" scheduled maintenance. Doesn't mean everyone does it, but I'd bet there aren't too many people out there buying or leasing brand new $50k+ vehicles and then just saying screw the warranty and/or trying to make this thing last so I can save a couple hundred dollars a year? Even no oil changes in the 1st 17k won't cause any lasting damage if you stated doing proper maintenance right now. That's why they don't bother with CPO on vehicles that new with that few miles. There's no damage that the original owner could have done that wouldn't manifest long before the warranty was up. The powertrain still has 43k miles. Anything that could bee damaged now won't wait 44k miles to show itself.
Many dealers and oil change chains don't report maintenance to carfax. Almost no small shops do. Obviously people who change their own oil don't either. Assuming the vehicle has never had any maintenance done because it's not in the carfax is like assuming every person you meet can't swim because they aren't wearing swim trunks or currently in a pool. I’ve never been asked about maintenance trading in a vehicle either. If it's 30k+ miles it would be real obvious looking at the dipstick that no maintenance was ever done. When that's obviously not the case, especially in lower mileage rigs, it really doesn't matter. At 17k and the fact that it's obviously had at least 1 oil change, what's the concern? It missed 1 oil change? Guess what that does to the wear or longevity of the engine? Nothing.
You seriously think a BMW isn’t reporting the maintenance being done? I call BS, because there were also BMW,s I’d come across that had a Carfax maintenance history from the BMW dealers.hip. Just weren’t as many that had a history. I guess Because most BMW’s are leases and the ones that did have a history were purchased. Just a theory of mine though.
My bmw dealership didn’t report to carfax. You could pull up a maintenance report in the bmw system, but none of our dealerships (in the dealership group) reported maintenance to carfax.
Most of the maintenance on mine at 106000 miles won't show up on carfax or otherwise. Not a rental mule but still not a surprise.
My truck has never been back to the dealer for maintenance. I enjoy doing it myself
Dealership records are being confused with carfax reports. BMW CPO is actually pretty great and thorough and a lot of things can make it not pass CPO. Leases get turned in early because of lease pull ahead programs. It’s a good way to keep customers in the brand.
Yea, I forgot about the early turn-in programs. I did see quite a few that were 1-4 months short of the standard 36 month lease term. As you mention is does keep customers in the brand and provides a good supply of used vehicles that typically have been dealer maintained.
