Buy a 2024 Gladiator Max Tow with zero maintenance history?

[NC_Overland]

I also do my own maintenance and keep records. None of this is on carfax or anywhere else. On vehicles I have traded it, I offer the dealers my maintenance records and they are never interested, Yet if I'm a buyer I am very interested. Don't know why the dealers don't want the information. I do agree with some comments above, someone who purchased the vehicle with a max tow probably did their own maintenance. In support of another comment, you probably won't get a better price but might get them to CPO the vehicle as part of the deal.

Dealers are not allowed to keep them or leave them in the vehicle. It’s considered personal information. It’s actually illegal in most states.

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[Hootbro]

Don't know why the dealers don't want the information.

Because most buyers are not really gearheads and vehicle people and it raises more questions for the average buyer. The dealership would rather have the vehicle presented as they want it.

Also, past records are privacy issue that runs the risk of mingling a third party in a vehicle transaction that most dealers do not want involved should something with the vehicle unexpectedly goes sideways.

 

[Zachanadandy]

It's at 17k miles, what maintenence could be missed? It's barely due for a second oil change. Even if they didn't do any in the first 17k it will be fine long term. Buy it and charge the oil immediately, do it again in 5k miles if you're really concerned.

 

[NC_Overland]

I’ve seen where detail dropped the ball and didn’t take all records out and the new buyer looked up the info and called the previous owner asking about maintenance and such. It was very bad. The customer threatened to sue the dealership. One of the reasons people trade in is to avoid anything like that.

 

[Sandman 4x4]

Hey all,

So, I'm looking at a 2024 Gladiator with the Max Tow Package - 17,000 miles, dealer's asking $33,500 (MSRP was $56,000 - the depreciation on these things is nuts!). Not certified. Looks clean, no obvious signs of abuse, and drives fine, but zero maintenance history - not on the Carfax or from Jeep/Chrysler, nada. What do you think? Stay away? Or try for a lowball offer that pays for an extended warranty? Anything else I could check? I'm sure a lot of buyers don't bother looking at the Carfax and the dealerships know that and will probably pass on a lowball offer to account for lack of maintenance history.

If that was me I would consider haggling over a new Sport S. Unless you absolutely need the Max Tow. I was able to get a $15k discount on an MSRP of $51,400. That has three nice packages but no Max Tow. Hardtop, automatic with comfort convenience, rear traffic assist and stop with LED taillights, safety package with Adaptable Cruise Control that I use all the time. That helps me acquire a lifetime mileage average of 20.1, over the last couple thousand miles, with daily mileage averaging 20.5 this morning.

 

[NC_Overland]

It's at 17k miles, what maintenence could be missed? It's barely due for a second oil change. Even if they didn't do any in the first 17k it will be fine long term. Buy it and charge the oil immediately, do it again in 5k miles if you're really concerned.

You think so? I saw so many enterprise cars with 17-18k miles that had never had an oil change and wondered how long they lasted and felt bad for their second owner.

I worked in fleet for enterprise and was responsible for the maintenance and logistics of thousands of cars. Enterprise is a notoriously cheap, terrible company that runs their fleets and staffing way too thin and rental employees get left with a lobby full of customers from over brooked reservations (completely out of their hands) and a car will come in and when they check it in, it says when it’s due for service. You’re supposed to pull it for maintenance. They’re so desperate they reset that oil change light and roll it. Sometimes, unfortunately it happens several times in a row. That’s just one example. I’d never buy a used rental car especially, not from them.

 

[BCB]

When you offer personal maintenance records, you don't put or leave personal information in the document, similar to Carfax and the rest of them. Just the VIN, mileage and work done. I do include the oil (viscosity, manufacturer and SAE spec) and filter specification.

 

[NC_Overland]

When you offer personal maintenance records, you don't put or leave personal information in the document, similar to Carfax and the rest of them. Just the VIN, mileage and work done. I do include the oil (viscosity, manufacturer and SAE spec) and filter specification.

The people who do it are those in detail. When you tell them to remove service records or any personal info, they don’t take the time to scour for personal information and decide what to keep or discard. It just all goes into a shred bin. I have a lot of respect for car detailers, but the ones doing that type of work for dealerships don’t give a damn about things like that. They’re often underpaid and overworked. It’s usually the same ones who do the service washes and such.

 

[BH1973]

If at a CDJR dealership, it should be a CPO candidate with a 7/100K warranty. If they are not making it a CPO, I would be asking why?

I doubt you are going to be able to knee cap them any more on price. It is a fair price and somebody else will take it.

I will also leave this for you to ponder. Even though you have remaining factory powertrain warranty and if something was to arise later, you could still be on the hook to prove maintenance was done from day one and not just when you assumed the vehicle. If the selling dealer of the used JT is a CDJR one, they can help cushion such things but that is out the window if bought elsewhere outside a CDJR dealership.

Thanks for this - very good point. It is being sold at a Jeep dealership - not sure why it's not CPO, although there's plenty of low mileage Jeeps being sold at Jeep dealerships that aren't CPO. I'll ask them about that and see if they could throw it into the bargain. I was told they did a 260 point inspection, but that's an easy thing to say.

 

[punk'n]

I traded in a truck last July and the dealer had a form to sign stating that they would charge me $250 if I left personal identifiers in the truck. That included maintenance records etc. and anything in the head unit/GPS/Phone (I had previously deleted everything).

Their reasoning was that they were on the hook if your personal info was stolen/sold or used against you.

 

[BH1973]

If that was me I would consider haggling over a new Sport S. Unless you absolutely need the Max Tow. I was able to get a $15k discount on an MSRP of $51,400. That has three nice packages but no Max Tow. Hardtop, automatic with comfort convenience, rear traffic assist and stop with LED taillights, safety package with Adaptable Cruise Control that I use all the time. That helps me acquire a lifetime mileage average of 20.1, over the last couple thousand miles, with daily mileage averaging 20.5 this morning.

Lowest I'm seeing on used 2024 Gladiators (which generally come with Adaptive Cruise, which I also won't live without anymore), is about 42% off original MSRP - or in the mid-30's well-specced with less than 15k miles.

Did you get yours in Florida, the state with the $2000+ doc and prep fees and $500+ "electronic registration" fee?

 

[NC_Overland]

Thanks for this - very good point. It is being sold at a Jeep dealership - not sure why it's not CPO, although there's plenty of low mileage Jeeps being sold at Jeep dealerships that aren't CPO. I'll ask them about that and see if they could throw it into the bargain. I was told they did a 260 point inspection, but that's an easy thing to say.

Do this. Tell them that you want to buy it CPO. bullshit your way through it if you don’t actually want CPO. If they give you a price of what it would cost as CPO then nothing to worry about. If they won’t sell it as CPO, that’s a major red flag. Walk away. There’s a reason it won’t pass CPO. that’s the same with any brand btw. It doesn’t matter if it’s a Jeep or a BMW. They can’t use their typical excuses of year or mileage making it ineligible.

 

[MPMB]

Here's the requirements for the CDJR CPO program:
1. <75k miles
2. <5 model years
3. Clean title (pass a Carfax-type check)
4. No damage to frame
5. Minor aftermarket mods allowed that do not compromise safety or emissions

For Chrysler, Dodge, Jeep, and Ram models, a CPO candidate must have fewer than 75,000 miles on the odometer. It must also be five model years or newer, possess a clean title, and have incurred no damage to the frame. Aftermarket accessories (consider Jeep models with light bars, push bars, etc.) are permissible but must not affect the operation of the vehicle or compromise safety or emissions in any way.

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So does the dealer have a Carfax for it? I'd double-check the VIN and make sure.

Or maybe the dealership doesn't want to have CPOs on anything with a 3.6L?

 

[NC_Overland]

Or maybe the dealership doesn't want to have CPOs on anything with a 3.6L?

Dealership doesn’t give a damn about that. If it passes CPO, it’s backed by a mfr warranty. Actually, in a lot of ways it removes headaches for them and it’s definitely better for CSI, which is huge in its own right.

 

[Gvsukids]

It's barely due for a second oil change.

How many miles are you going between oil changes?

Unless you absolutely need the Max Tow

4.10 gears, wider axles, stiffer suspension are nice to have over the 3.73.

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