Did the value of Gladiators just fall through the floor ???!

[foxwalkhq]

Both. I don't like the Rubicon suspension. I originally wanted a Mojave but everyone said "Get the Rubicon, you can buy the Mojave shocks".. Well once I lost my really high income job I couldn't afford any mods..

Also gas mileage is terrible. I went to WV and Maryland a few years ago for Thanksgiving and the gas costs were ungodly. Again, high paying job, no problem. But still, who wants to waste money you know.

If it was just that, then I would simply wait and trade it in when I can. When my Mustang was worth $10k, I was offered $3 on trade in. It's absurd. And I mean it's absurd FOR ME ... to go to the dealer and just set $7000 on fire because "oh it takes work to sell it privately."

Right now though the main motivation is what everyone is saying about the correction. And I know no matter what I post, people always have to criticize me "Oh well that already happened."

From what I see, it hasn't happened across the board yet. And I aim to get out before that happens.

Then I can drive my Mustang around until I can get what I want. I got six months before I wanna go back East to visit family. I'm not doing it in the Gladiator.

That six months will beef my credit up, or in the worst case I can't sell the Gladiator, will remove the negative equity so that it's not an issue on trade in.

I don't really drive anywhere so it's not urgent. If I didn't find out prices were going down I probably would not be in a rush to sell it.

The thing is.. Over the course of my life I've learned how to avoid getting pissed off. And if I do nothing and then later on the value is dog shit.. I will be extremely pissed off.

But the last time before yesterday that I got an appraisal from a dealership when the guy told me "The market is just not good right now" I decided then it's over. I'm not gonna gamble that it goes back up. And then I noticed the pattern. Buy a new vehicle, be underwater forever because the value drops big.

Only way to avoid that is to not finance a vehicle, or to buy the perfect vehicle for me that I will never sell. And sorry to break this to the "conventional wisdom" guys.. That is not a cheap Honda or a sedan or some other bullshit that is NOT what I want to ever own.

Take $6000 Honda example the other dude said. To me that's taking $5000 and setting it on fire. Because that's what I'm gonna lose in the future when I wanna trade it in (probably even if I sell it privately) and on top of setting $5000 on fire, I will also be slowly setting money on fire every month, in the terms of interest payments, on a loan for something I do not want.

Also the other thing I want to point out coz I think I heard something on here about "it will take forever for the price of the higher cost vehicle to save you the money on gas" or whatever.

That's not how I think or not what I care about. The way I think I'm paying the money for a BETTER VEHICLE. I don't group everything into a huge pot.

The price of the vehicle is the price of the vehicle. It's rolled into a monthly payment, that I'm paying, for the vehicle. Not for gas. That's the price you gotta pay to play.

Gas is completely separate expense. And yes, it doesn't matter if the vehicle costs $100,000 .. If the gas mileage on the new vehicle is 10mpg more than the old one, I'm saving money on gas.

I’m a little confused. Why are you selling the Jeep? Because you don’t like it or because it’s losing value too quickly? But then you also say you’ll buy another vehicle for about $50,000?

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[ShadowsPapa]

Both. I don't like the Rubicon suspension. I originally wanted a Mojave but everyone said "Get the Rubicon, you can buy the Mojave shocks".. Well once I lost my really high income job I couldn't afford any mods..

i may be wrong, but didn't you say you didn't like the Rubicon suspension because it was soft?
If you think Rubicon suspension is soft............ Mojave is really cushy.

Frankly, swapping Rubicon springs into the front of my 2020 Overland didn't really get me much difference - a little bit of height (the Rubicon is heavier than Overland so the spring rate is a little higher) but the ride was almost the same - maybe a touch firmer.

Different animal, I know, but my wife's Rubicon JLU is a pleasant vehicle to ride in - not too soft, not too firm. Really a very nice ride on our streets, across RR tracks, dirt roads, and highways. No complaints. Not much worse than a Grand Cherokee, IMO.
The new Mojave X feels more planted on the streets and highways than my Overland, likely because of the shocks, tires and wider axles than Overland by a tiny bit. Otherwise, it was like my Overland was before I started switching parts out and modifying things.
More planted, yes, but it wasn't an earth-shattering difference.
So for me - meh, I'll take any of them for a ride because they are JEEPS.

 

[foxwalkhq]

I've driven a Mojave. It's not cushy. It's firm. But even cushy would be better than the Rubicon's Bounce house effect that happens whenever you hit a bump.

It's like you're suspended with bungee cables on all sides and someone pulled you in one direction and let you go, except you stop bouncing around pretty quickly after leaving the bumpy area. Really annoying.

Mojave drives like a sports car, and handles like one too.

I've discovered most peoples' ride preferences are the exact opposite of mine. So if I see in a review someone says "I don't like it, it's too stiff" (esp. someone's wife) I'm like that sounds like the right one for me.

I do realize that soft is much better off-road, because this you're not being jarred to death, but adjustable shocks are good for that.

i may be wrong, but didn't you say you didn't like the Rubicon suspension because it was soft?
If you think Rubicon suspension is soft............ Mojave is really cushy.

Frankly, swapping Rubicon springs into the front of my 2020 Overland didn't really get me much difference - a little bit of height (the Rubicon is heavier than Overland so the spring rate is a little higher) but the ride was almost the same - maybe a touch firmer.

Different animal, I know, but my wife's Rubicon JLU is a pleasant vehicle to ride in - not too soft, not too firm. Really a very nice ride on our streets, across RR tracks, dirt roads, and highways. No complaints. Not much worse than a Grand Cherokee, IMO.
The new Mojave X feels more planted on the streets and highways than my Overland, likely because of the shocks, tires and wider axles than Overland by a tiny bit. Otherwise, it was like my Overland was before I started switching parts out and modifying things.
More planted, yes, but it wasn't an earth-shattering difference.
So for me - meh, I'll take any of them for a ride because they are JEEPS.

 

[Jefe1018]

Both. I don't like the Rubicon suspension. I originally wanted a Mojave but everyone said "Get the Rubicon, you can buy the Mojave shocks".. Well once I lost my really high income job I couldn't afford any mods..

Also gas mileage is terrible. I went to WV and Maryland a few years ago for Thanksgiving and the gas costs were ungodly. Again, high paying job, no problem. But still, who wants to waste money you know.

If it was just that, then I would simply wait and trade it in when I can. When my Mustang was worth $10k, I was offered $3 on trade in. It's absurd. And I mean it's absurd FOR ME ... to go to the dealer and just set $7000 on fire because "oh it takes work to sell it privately."

Right now though the main motivation is what everyone is saying about the correction. And I know no matter what I post, people always have to criticize me "Oh well that already happened."

From what I see, it hasn't happened across the board yet. And I aim to get out before that happens.

Then I can drive my Mustang around until I can get what I want. I got six months before I wanna go back East to visit family. I'm not doing it in the Gladiator.

That six months will beef my credit up, or in the worst case I can't sell the Gladiator, will remove the negative equity so that it's not an issue on trade in.

I don't really drive anywhere so it's not urgent. If I didn't find out prices were going down I probably would not be in a rush to sell it.

The thing is.. Over the course of my life I've learned how to avoid getting pissed off. And if I do nothing and then later on the value is dog shit.. I will be extremely pissed off.

But the last time before yesterday that I got an appraisal from a dealership when the guy told me "The market is just not good right now" I decided then it's over. I'm not gonna gamble that it goes back up. And then I noticed the pattern. Buy a new vehicle, be underwater forever because the value drops big.

Only way to avoid that is to not finance a vehicle, or to buy the perfect vehicle for me that I will never sell. And sorry to break this to the "conventional wisdom" guys.. That is not a cheap Honda or a sedan or some other bullshit that is NOT what I want to ever own.

Take $6000 Honda example the other dude said. To me that's taking $5000 and setting it on fire. Because that's what I'm gonna lose in the future when I wanna trade it in (probably even if I sell it privately) and on top of setting $5000 on fire, I will also be slowly setting money on fire every month, in the terms of interest payments, on a loan for something I do not want.

Also the other thing I want to point out coz I think I heard something on here about "it will take forever for the price of the higher cost vehicle to save you the money on gas" or whatever.

That's not how I think or not what I care about. The way I think I'm paying the money for a BETTER VEHICLE. I don't group everything into a huge pot.

The price of the vehicle is the price of the vehicle. It's rolled into a monthly payment, that I'm paying, for the vehicle. Not for gas. That's the price you gotta pay to play.

Gas is completely separate expense. And yes, it doesn't matter if the vehicle costs $100,000 .. If the gas mileage on the new vehicle is 10mpg more than the old one, I'm saving money on gas.

I'm starting to think this guy is a ChatGPT box.

 

[foxwalkhq]

I'm starting to think this guy is a ChatGPT box.

Ignored.

 

[foxwalkhq]

And ShadowsPapa my friend.

Please stop arguing with me and criticizing me about everything. The Mojave comment was peak retard. You probably didn't expect me to have driven one.

I'm at the point where I'm no longer amused with you low-IQ retard morons.

 

[foxwalkhq]

Go ahead and delete my account because I really at this point can't stand Jeeps anymore and you guys are a bunch of argumentative insecure pricks.

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