Diesel shop owner fined $50k for deleting trucks.

[Sweetums]

Or if your gonna dump 6 figures an a 1 ton pickup. Just buy a 90s or older 1 ton and build out however you like. If the vin says it didn't come with def, you could totally put a new 6.7 with a 10 speed in there fully deleted. no laws broken. does depend on states tho a bit. Got a 4in straight piped 7.3 in a 94' bronco. no emission laws broken, 100% legal.

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You have to have the emissions equipment required at the time of manufacture of the vehicle or the engine, whichever part is newer. So you can't stick a hellcat motor in a '69 Challenger without all the emissions controls also going in.

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[PuddleJumper]

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You have to have the emissions equipment required at the time of manufacture of the vehicle or the engine, whichever part is newer. So you can't stick a hellcat motor in a '69 Challenger without all the emissions controls also going in.

for some states yes. oklahoma didn;t care if ya made it jet powered.

 

[Guns_N_Rosaries]

Fined 50k, but I wonder how much the shop made off of those...

 

[Jteakus]

$2K per

 

[Minty JL]

These shops need to learn from the prohibition days...... stop advertising this shit on the socials. Word of mouth is enough

 

[ZeeJay]

What sucks is the lack of ability of service providers ( dealers ) to reasonably troubleshoot and repair these emissions systems and the overall reliability of them. This seems to be across all manufacturers so it isn’t an FCA only problem.

Diagnostic equipment and service info is available the issue is technicians. First of all there are fewer techs to go around and even fewer good ones. This problem transcends into gas engines also. Plenty of ass hats on FB that say they are. Second issue is diesel has always been a different trade within a trade. Some dealers have their “diesel guys”, others use a regular gas guy and that is an issue. You’re absolutely spot on right I just wanted to clarify.
As for component longevity and reliability…..it is reliable until it isn’t, and that could years or minutes…

 

[ZeeJay]

For the most part, the emissions system isn't too complicated, however, it has the potential to nickel and dime you simply due to all the components. The DPF and SCR might last 300,000 miles, but the sensors, DEF pump, DEF injector, ECR, and ECR cooler might need to be changed out a few times in that period.

The system itself worked out on a flow sheet isn’t complicated, troubleshooting it can be extremely complicated. The components listed above only has one with two outliers in most systems that have a TBO(time based operation). Cummins can and has assigned a TBO to Nox sensor in industrial applications those are the outliers. I believe they should be a planned replacement item anyway regardless. Officially the DPF is the only component assigned a TBO, varies by OEM and application.

 

[ZeeJay]

EPA is cracking down and when these companies wear this shit on their sleeves they become a target. As a dealer tech for a company who like reds engines I can’t legally work on any deleted engine in any form. It could even be as simple as a different HP calibration in an OTR engine, I can recalibrate it back to the calibration it had when sold based on that engine serial number and CPL number. Had a customer on site once so butt hurt I wouldn’t work on a deleted X15 in a lube truck because it had been stripped. Just connecting to the engine ECM to read codes is illegal as it leaves an audit trail to any ECM connected.

 

[AmosMoses]

New York doing New York things to New Yorkers.

 

[Hugh Jorgan]

It’s a tough one. Here in aus we’d have given anything to have the 3.0L diesel in the gladiator. It was extremely popular in the prior model GC.

One of the issues is that, as many will know, diesel is specialised equipment. So when it’s issued to the mass public it has to be set up for dummies that let it fowl up w low maintenance / irresponsible long term usage.

Look on sheer weight of number of customers, for sure the usa has to be strict about emissions. It’s a totally different quantum to say a piddly little market like aus and canada. Such markets can afford to be a little more lax wrt followup on emission standards.

I.e. the potential is to end up w millions and millions of these units on the streets of America and if they end up Smokey old things that’s really not good in many levels. It’s the weight of numbers that means the management of the emissions risk has to be tight. And unfortunately the standards have to be set for the lowest bar of owner.

I admire the institutions of the usa for trying to keep a handle on it all. For being the ones who discovered that all the manufactures, including the vaunted German diesels, were cheating. (Except for maybe bmw, possibly .. or not)

I’m not surprised it was the us epa that found them out. Generally speaking the finest engineering on the planet is behind the usa bodies like the epa, dot, faa, api etc etc. I can attest to it from my own experience of said bodies. They’re largely peerless orgs.

If it were my ecodiesel glady I’d treasure it and work to keep it alive. It’s a really unique vehicle with a serious little Titan of a power plant. If one could dial out the italianisms, it would be categorically the best engine in a jeep on the basis of torque at low rpm’s and fuel economy. Hands down.

 

[SoK66]

I have a feeling much of this is doing the common "EGR delete" on the wretched Ford 6.0L Powerstroke diesel. The EGR apparently caused an assortment of issues and the delete had many benefits, but for certain removing it is a legal no-no.

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