downsizing wheels

[dcmdon]

Maybe I shouldn’t tell anyone that I paid the same price for diesel as the price of unleaded was this morning, on the west coast ?

You live in a magical place.

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[Camaroboi13]

You live in a magical place.

https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/pet_pri_gnd_dcus_sca_w.htm

I guess so, it was 4.39 this morning and 4.46 for unleaded. Gas buddy now shows 4.39 for unleaded and 4.49 for diesel, which I’m still not going to complain about.

 

[ZoMojave]

Speaking of math (and to get back on topic), who spends $50k-$60k (or more) on a Gladiator Mojave and then worries about saving a few hundred dollars a YEAR on gasoline?!? If you're that concerned about MPG, trade it in on a Maverick Hybrid and pocket about $30k.

Hmmm. I'm not sure about that. A loaded Maverick is pushing 40K and with dealer markup the price goes up another 6-8K. Then there is the year long wait to find out that it is past the 2023 production time frame, and you need to pony up another 2-3K in a price increase for a 2024 model. Now we are around 50K for a toy truck. Not much $$ to pocket now.

To the OP: Keep the Glad, enjoy it and accept the positives and the negatives. Let's face it, every vehicle has them.

 

[Vtur]

You may be aware of the math. But others aren't. So it adds value here.

Now you are talking how it all makes you FEEL. You are a unique individual.

I pay for gas with my credit card and don't even look at the total. So I don't get those emotions.

Financial decisions are best made based on numbers, not emotions.

The driving experience is absolutely relevant. Range is relevant. But my point here is mainly just on the idiocy of trading a gasser in to get a diesel to "save money". Total idiocy.

(Because everyone is so sensitive these days, please note that I'm not saying you are an idiot. I'm saying simply that buying a diesel to save money is an idiotic thing to do)

If you want a diesel, you want a diesel, for all the reasons you mentioned. Plus some guys like to have stinky hands and gooey residue down the side of their truck. And DEF is great fun. But the torque and effortless power are fantastic.

But don't try to delude yourself or anyone else that its to save money. The numbers simply don't bear that out.

One other factor that weighs in favor of the diesel, that I didn't include in my math is resale value. I don't know if it makes a Gladiator easier to sell or harder. It may vary by region for all I know. But it is a factor. Either way, you will probably get at least a portion of the $4k back.

Like I said, on balance, I'd have bought a diesel if I could have and if it had proven to be a high mile engine. I keep vehicles for a while. The Jeep is going to become a secondary vehicle after 5 years or so.

If I'm reading it correctly. The OP has a Mojave, not offroading and wanna goes as far as downsizing wheel/tires for better mpg.

Would you agree that a Sport diesel would've been the better choice to start with for him? And it cost less than a Mojave as well.

 

[sharpsicle]

If I'm reading it correctly. The OP has a Mojave, not offroading and wanna goes as far as downsizing wheel/tires for better mpg.

Would you agree that a Sport diesel would've been the better choice to started for him? And it cost less than a Mojave as well.

No.

 

[RudeJeepin]

I only paid $2000 more for my diesel than the other Gladiator I was looking at. There were a few minor differences, the only real difference was cold weather package. I've added remote start, smartliner floor mats and will add heated seats before long. Making it roughly $3k more.
Personally I don't know anyone who's had a problem with their EcoDiesel, regardless of which gen. And I know of probably a dozen or so owners.
But I know of 3 people with 3.6 issues, all the JKs, if it matters. But 3 or 4 others with no issues, JK and JL.

It's a bit of a crap shot when it comes to issues.

Yes there are people on here with diesel issues, but the squeaky wheel gets the grease. Hardly nobody gets online and complains about never having issues.

I've seen a few places online state that the EcoDiesel has the same/similar percentage of issues as the Cummins and Duramax. Take that as you will, but I'm not worried. That is what the warranty is for, an I'm banking that if need be, I'll have mine sorted by the time the warranty is up.

More than likely I'll have my diesel Gladiator for a long time. My Wife will probably keep her diesel Wrangler for quite awhile, seeing as how she loves it so much, so took it and told me to trade her car in on the Gladiator if I wanted too.
I tow a cargo trailer that goes from 2500 pounds to 4500 pounds depending on how it's loaded. The diesel Gladiator just makes sense to me.

 

[Raven65]

Hmmm. I'm not sure about that. A loaded Maverick is pushing 40K and with dealer markup the price goes up another 6-8K. Then there is the year long wait to find out that it is past the 2023 production time frame, and you need to pony up another 2-3K in a price increase for a 2024 model. Now we are around 50K for a toy truck. Not much $$ to pocket now.

To the OP: Keep the Glad, enjoy it and accept the positives and the negatives. Let's face it, every vehicle has them.

I don't think I said anything about a "loaded" Maverick. If you look at my post that you quoted, you'll see that I said a "Maverick Hybrid" - which starts at $22,195. Yes, greedy Ford dealers have been marking them up, but you can find them for MSRP if you're willing to drive a ways - or even fly & drive. Plus, Ford has committed to increasing production by 80,000 units this year, so that BS should go away soon.

 

[Raven65]

Maybe I shouldn’t tell anyone that I paid the same price for diesel as the price of unleaded was this morning, on the west coast ?

Farm/off-road diesel vs DOT regular unleaded - or west coast of Saudi Arabia?

 

[dcmdon]

If I'm reading it correctly. The OP has a Mojave, not offroading and wanna goes as far as downsizing wheel/tires for better mpg.

Would you agree that a Sport diesel would've been the better choice to start with for him? And it cost less than a Mojave as well.

Depending on the difference in price in his area, yes. Maybe. Maybe even an overland if he wants the toys in the Mojave, leather, etc.

If he pays 4k more for it and lives in an area where the price of fuel is not so great and drives it for 50k miles, he probably recoups $2500 back in fuel savings. If he then sells it, he may get a big part of that back.

And he gets the experience of440 ft lbs of torque and a generally more pleasant engine.

My whole point here is that a diesel may or may not save you $1000 to $2000 over the course of 4 or 5 years. So to take a 15k hit to change vehicles to "save money" is simply stupid.

I don't think I said anything about a "loaded" Maverick. If you look at my post that you quoted, you'll see that I said a "Maverick Hybrid" - which starts at $22,195. Yes, greedy Ford dealers have been marking them up, but you can find them for MSRP if you're willing to drive a ways - or even fly & drive. Plus, Ford has committed to increasing production by 80,000 units this year, so that BS should go away soon.

You can get a decent Maverick for under $30k. I've seen them in the flesh. The dealer that i looked at them at sold them for MSRP.

And then again you can order from discounters similar to what exists for Jeeps like Gupton

 

[ZoMojave]

I don't think I said anything about a "loaded" Maverick. If you look at my post that you quoted, you'll see that I said a "Maverick Hybrid" - which starts at $22,195. Yes, greedy Ford dealers have been marking them up, but you can find them for MSRP if you're willing to drive a ways - or even fly & drive. Plus, Ford has committed to increasing production by 80,000 units this year, so that BS should go away soon.

And realistically, who would trade a JT for a Maverick Hybrid strictly for the mileage? ? (crickets) Certainly, no offense intended if you are a fan.

The jury is still way out on the Fords production promises and the real availability of those in the future. Dealers showing them online when they are sold. FoMoCo is a total disaster.

But for 22K one might be fun to beat on!

 

[Raven65]

And realistically, who would trade a JT for a Maverick Hybrid strictly for the mileage? ? (crickets).

The jury is still way out on the Fords production promises and the real availability of those in the future. Dealers showing them online when they are sold. FoMoCo is a total disaster.

But for 22K one might be fun to beat on!

Someone so concerned about fuel mileage, they're considering putting Sport wheels/tires on a Mojave? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I think they're "ok", but I'd never consider buying the first year of anything Ford makes - especially given their track record recently. You're absolutely right about them being a total disaster. I've owned a few Fords over the years with both good and bad results, but I don't plan to buy anything they make anytime soon - especially given how greedy their dealers have been with the Maverick, Bronco, Mach E, Lightning, etc. Screw them! I can't wait until the traditional dealership is dead and we can buy all vehicles direct online with zero markups and just have them delivered to your house (like Tesla). It's coming.... and a lot sooner than most people realize. Ford is already making plans. So are several others.

 

[ZoMojave]

I can't wait until the traditional dealership is dead and we can buy all vehicles direct online with zero markups and just have them delivered to your house (like Tesla). It's coming.... and a lot sooner than most people realize. Ford is already making plans. So are several others.

That's a fact for sure. Traditional dealers will go the way of the dinosaurs. My dealer rep that has sold me many new vehicles is worried about it. Lucky he is close to retirement.

 

[Raven65]

That's a fact for sure. Traditional dealers will go the way of the dinosaurs. My dealer rep that has sold me many new vehicles is worried about it. Lucky he is close to retirement.

Yep… if I were a car salesman right now, I’d be going to night school to get ready for a career change.

 

[bbilly29]

I agree on "who spends 50k on a Jeep and then worries about mpg."
But it's really on $4650 to upgrade to the diesel if you start with the auto anyways. Or 2k more compared to the 6spd.
So far I haven't seen any extra significant costs for maintenance, and I'm not new to diesels. This is my 2nd Eco, and I've had Cummins and Duramax also.
Fuel cost per mile is cheaper for me than my mom with her gasser. But that is regional.

Ya, I'm a diesel fan boy, but if your gonna spout "facts" about the cost of ownership make sure their correct.




Weight of tires are just as important as size for mpg. I put stock size tires on my last pickup and lost roughly 1/2 mpg vs the stock light weight tires. Height and width was the same, highway all season vs Falken ATs.

I agree on "who spends 50k on a Jeep and then worries about mpg."
But it's really on $4650 to upgrade to the diesel if you start with the auto anyways. Or 2k more compared to the 6spd.
So far I haven't seen any extra significant costs for maintenance, and I'm not new to diesels. This is my 2nd Eco, and I've had Cummins and Duramax also.
Fuel cost per mile is cheaper for me than my mom with her gasser. But that is regional.

Ya, I'm a diesel fan boy, but if your gonna spout "facts" about the cost of ownership make sure their correct.




Weight of tires are just as important as size for mpg. I put stock size tires on my last pickup and lost roughly 1/2 mpg vs the stock light weight tires. Height and width was the same, highway all season vs Falken ATs.

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I was able to pick up about 1mpg by blocking the gap in the front bumper.
1 mpg is hard to prove, especially cause driving habits will be 3 or more mpg either way.

but based on my ev experience (smaller scale same idea) the tires should make a huge difference. trading looks for efficiency is tough but it pays

where did you get those pieces from? and thanks!

 

[dcmdon]

It looks like a flat piece of rubber or plastic cut to fit.

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