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I have a 2022 Ecodiesel Gladiator with 34,000 miles. Over the last year I have had to add small amounts of coolant to keep the level above the "Min" line in the "expansion" tank, adding 8 or 16 ounces of coolant at a time for a total of 40 ounces.

In December I had the truck at a local dealer for my second round of problems with my Stop/Start system and failed batteries and told them about my coolant loss. They performed a coolant leak test, pressurized the system to 20 psi and left sit overnight. In the morning pressure was 17 psi which they said was normal. They examined the engine and found no external signs of a coolant leak. I have never had to add this much coolant to a vehicle, even with a noticeable radiator leak. Despite this, I ignored the possibility of an internal coolant leak.

In the past few weeks my wife and I noticed a strong odor coming from the exhaust of the truck when its idling in our garage. I started to wonder if I do have a coolant leak inside my engine so I started to do some searching online. What I found is that earlier versions of our Ecodiesel did have a problem with leaky EGR coolers. Apparently coolant can travel thru the EGR diffuser pipe from the EGR cooler to the intake manifold. Here is a picture of my EGR pipe where it enters the intake manifold:
Jeep Gladiator Ecodiesel; Leaking EGR cooler? Baisch_diffuser_tube_intake_end.JPG


I have read that dry soot buildup is normal but gooey tar-like buildup is an indication of an EGR cooler leak. I do have a gooey tar-like substance forming on the end of my diffuser tube. Does anyone have any experience with what my tube should look like? It looks to me like the liquid dripped out of the hole closest to the attachment flange and pooled at the lowest area of the tube by gravity.

Regarding the exhaust smell, a friend has a 2023 Ecodiesel Gladiator. We warmed up each of our trucks the same amount and sat them side by side and took turns putting our faces in exhaust stream of both trucks. The exhaust of his new 2023 smells fresh, like the outlet from a clothes drier. My exhaust smell it totally different. Its hard to describe, but its not a pleasant smell.

Finally, I saw some posts where the coolant bottle was tested for exhaust gasses with a "block tester". I blue fluid changes color in the presence of CO2. I did have a color change, but I may have allowed outside air to ender the test fluid. I was hard to get gas pulled from the bottle once a vacuum was formed. When I placed a stopper and hose in the bottle and the end of the hose in a bottle of water there were no bubbles.

Has anyone else had coolant consumption similar to mine? Has anyone else pulled their EGR diffuser pipe and seen soot and wet tar similar to mine?
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How hard was it to get that EGR pipe out? It's such a dense engine bay...

(Can't help beyond that, sounds like you're doing the diagnosis all correctly)
 
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How hard was it to get that EGR pipe out? It's such a dense engine bay...

(Can't help beyond that, sounds like you're doing the diagnosis all correctly)
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It was not that hard once I figured out how to remove the foam insulation that sits on top it it. I thought I needed to remove the battery to remove the nut that holds it in place. It turns out you can just slide a wrench alongside the battery box and just loosen it a bit. Other than that there is a air pipe with quick release connectors that needs to be removed, not too hard if you have three hands. I did put rags below the fasteners that needed to be removed to prevent dropping them down under the engine. It I do it again it will be four times faster.
 

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I have a '22 with 35,000 miles on it. The only time I added coolant was when I installed my block heater.
 

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2021 34k miles. I've added coolant twice. Once when new and once again at 30k miles. It was a small amount, maybe 2 or 3 ounces each time. I don't have any strange smells from the exhaust.
 

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2021 34k miles. I've added coolant twice. Once when new and once again at 30k miles. It was a small amount, maybe 2 or 3 ounces each time. I don't have any strange smells from the exhaust.
 

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I have 2020 JLRD with 46 k miles. Been chasing coolant issue for 6-8 months. Multiple people looked at it, without tearing it to pieces no solution, loose about 4-6 oz every 125 miles. Did you ever get resolution. Mine about ready to go to bone yard, probably $40k in mods down drain.
 
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I have 2020 JLRD with 46 k miles. Been chasing coolant issue for 6-8 months. Multiple people looked at it, without tearing it to pieces no solution, loose about 4-6 oz every 125 miles. Did you ever get resolution. Mine about ready to go to bone yard, probably $40k in mods down drain.
It sounds like your consumption is 30x what mine is! I installed the high pressure EGR cooler made by Bullet Proof Diesel. The cooler removed had the cooling passages 1/4 plugged with soot already at 37k miles! I want to get the GFE tune to reduce this. I pressure tested the removed cooler on my workbench but did not see any leaks. Maybe it was leaking only at higher temps? I have not driven enough to know if coolant usage issue is solved. When I change my transmission oil I will send a sample out for analysis in case coolant is leaking at the transmission cooler. Did you pull your EGR diffuser pipe to look for signs of coolant leakage from the high pressure EGR? Good luck solving this.
 

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The leak started small, but all leaks never get smaller only larger.
I had my oil checked, result is attached, potassium is way higher than any other samples I’ve seen posted. Oil had less than 1000 miles on it. The guy only tests heavy machinery, this is first time he did this type of engine so he’s not sure what’s going on. We did the coolant gas test and it came up positive immediately for exhaust gases going through coolant so pretty sure it’s getting into engine somewhere.
my local dealer does not have a stellar reputation so it looks like I am going to try taking it to a dealer 350 miles away and see if my 5 year 100k power train will get it fixed. If that doesn’t do it I’m sending to auction.
 

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The leak started small, but all leaks never get smaller only larger.
I had my oil checked, result is attached, potassium is way higher than any other samples I’ve seen posted. Oil had less than 1000 miles on it. The guy only tests heavy machinery, this is first time he did this type of engine so he’s not sure what’s going on. We did the coolant gas test and it came up positive immediately for exhaust gases going through coolant so pretty sure it’s getting into engine somewhere.
my local dealer does not have a stellar reputation so it looks like I am going to try taking it to a dealer 350 miles away and see if my 5 year 100k power train will get it fixed. If that doesn’t do it I’m sending to auction.
Yeh, my local dealers doesn’t seem to know anything about these engines either. They did a pressure test on the cooling system and said nothing leaked out on the ground so everything is fine. I sent an engine oil sample to Blackstone Labs and specifically said I was concerned about the possibility of coolant in the oil due to a consumption issue. The result came back with no sign of coolant. Potassium was 3 parts/million. I am using only about 1.5 ounces/1000 miles. As much coolant as you are using it seems like it should be obvious somewhere such as milky looking crankcase oil or a really hooped up EGR diffuser tube and intake manifold. Keep me posted regarding what you find.
 

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The overflow bottle has a drain hose that allows pressure and coolant to bleed off. Put some gauze or something similar in or around the hose. Run around for 30 minutes, park it and if the gauze get damp you’ve found the “leak”. If it’s bone dry, you may want to get a second opinion.
 

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I have a 2022 Ecodiesel Gladiator with 34,000 miles. Over the last year I have had to add small amounts of coolant to keep the level above the "Min" line in the "expansion" tank, adding 8 or 16 ounces of coolant at a time for a total of 40 ounces.

In December I had the truck at a local dealer for my second round of problems with my Stop/Start system and failed batteries and told them about my coolant loss. They performed a coolant leak test, pressurized the system to 20 psi and left sit overnight. In the morning pressure was 17 psi which they said was normal. They examined the engine and found no external signs of a coolant leak. I have never had to add this much coolant to a vehicle, even with a noticeable radiator leak. Despite this, I ignored the possibility of an internal coolant leak.

In the past few weeks my wife and I noticed a strong odor coming from the exhaust of the truck when its idling in our garage. I started to wonder if I do have a coolant leak inside my engine so I started to do some searching online. What I found is that earlier versions of our Ecodiesel did have a problem with leaky EGR coolers. Apparently coolant can travel thru the EGR diffuser pipe from the EGR cooler to the intake manifold. Here is a picture of my EGR pipe where it enters the intake manifold:
Baisch_diffuser_tube_intake_end.JPG


I have read that dry soot buildup is normal but gooey tar-like buildup is an indication of an EGR cooler leak. I do have a gooey tar-like substance forming on the end of my diffuser tube. Does anyone have any experience with what my tube should look like? It looks to me like the liquid dripped out of the hole closest to the attachment flange and pooled at the lowest area of the tube by gravity.

Regarding the exhaust smell, a friend has a 2023 Ecodiesel Gladiator. We warmed up each of our trucks the same amount and sat them side by side and took turns putting our faces in exhaust stream of both trucks. The exhaust of his new 2023 smells fresh, like the outlet from a clothes drier. My exhaust smell it totally different. Its hard to describe, but its not a pleasant smell.

Finally, I saw some posts where the coolant bottle was tested for exhaust gasses with a "block tester". I blue fluid changes color in the presence of CO2. I did have a color change, but I may have allowed outside air to ender the test fluid. I was hard to get gas pulled from the bottle once a vacuum was formed. When I placed a stopper and hose in the bottle and the end of the hose in a bottle of water there were no bubbles.

Has anyone else had coolant consumption similar to mine? Has anyone else pulled their EGR diffuser pipe and seen soot and wet tar similar to mine?
So adding coolant with no obvious leak indicates an internal leak. External will show either active leak(wet) or calcification of sodium and potassium(dry).
EGR shouldn’t be ANYTHING wet off inlet/outlet piping or intake unless it has wet stacked which is a condition that plagues generators more than anything and that’s a fueling condition. It has been my experience some EGR leaks can’t be detected via pressure test as the failure in core opens with heat saturation. I have even bench tested coolers can’t detect a failure cold. Be aware also if a substantial enough amount burning through it can migrate into after treatment. Gain access to inlet/outlet end of egr cooler should tell you what you need to know. Failed cylinder head or head gasket can create coolant ingress into EGR also.
 
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So adding coolant with no obvious leak indicates an internal leak. External will show either active leak(wet) or calcification of sodium and potassium(dry).
EGR shouldn’t be ANYTHING wet off inlet/outlet piping or intake unless it has wet stacked which is a condition that plagues generators more than anything and that’s a fueling condition. It has been my experience some EGR leaks can’t be detected via pressure test as the failure in core opens with heat saturation. I have even bench tested coolers can’t detect a failure cold. Be aware also if a substantial enough amount burning through it can migrate into after treatment. Gain access to inlet/outlet end of egr cooler should tell you what you need to know. Failed cylinder head or head gasket can create coolant ingress into EGR also.
Thanks @ZeeJay !
I'll upload a picture of the EGR cooler removed at about 37,000 miles. Maybe you can comment on its condition? Hopefully it is a case of my bench testing not showing a leak even thought its bad. It would make my spending 1k on the the Bulletproof Diesel HP EGR cooler not so bad. @Sandevino suggested coolant leaking from a vent on the bottom of the coolant expansion bottle. I checked my bottle but it does not have a vent on its bottom. I did wrap a white rag around the hose connection on the bottom of the tank. After driving 300 miles there was a very small coolant stain on the rag indicating a thimble of coolant loss there.

Jeep Gladiator Ecodiesel; Leaking EGR cooler? HP_EGR_COOLER.JPG
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