EV - not ready for the masses?

[Mojave2021]

Multiple states are working to prohibit the sale of new, ICE powered vehicles. I can't figure out if that includes SUVs and pickup trucks. I think this is also a big, "No bueno!" as I prefer carrot over stick to bring about change. I think it's very likely those objectives will be postponed and scaled back since the availability of EVs will still be limited, the power grid will still not be ready for big boost of EVs charging and people will rebel at being forced to buy a vehicle they can't drive cross country.

If that’s such a big concern then buy an ICE car before the laws go into effect and get ready to take really good care of it. Or buy a used ICE car after the laws do go into effect.

This is a concern to me as well as I have a classic car I plan to permanently retain (77 Pontiac Trans Am which I just did an LS3 swap on). Hence it’s possible to keep a nearly 50 year old car on the road with the right care and parts.

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[AmosMoses]

If that’s such a big concern then buy an ICE car before the laws go into effect and get ready to take really good care of it. Or buy a used ICE car after the laws do go into effect.

This is a concern to me as well as I have a classic car I plan to permanently retain (77 Pontiac Trans Am which I just did an LS3 swap on). Hence it’s possible to keep a nearly 50 year old car on the road with the right care and parts.

If that’s such a big concern then buy an ICE car before the laws go into effect and get ready to take really good care of it. Or buy a used ICE car after the laws do go into effect.

This is a concern to me as well as I have a classic car I plan to permanently retain (77 Pontiac Trans Am which I just did an LS3 swap on). Hence it’s possible to keep a nearly 50 year old car on the road with the right care and parts.

Or simply move to another state with rules and regulations you agree with.

 

[Escape.idiocracy]

Or simply move to another state with rules and regulations you agree with.

Have you watched the series “The man in the high castle”?

“United States” of America.

Dividing the nation will do nothing more than amplify issues…..

This is a discussion on vehicles that most likely at some point travel state to state….. unless we are showing passports to cross state lines… ?

 

[dcmdon]

I love internal combustion engines. I love the sound. I love the smell.

But at some point the EV will be functionally superior. Right now the problem is not range.

Its the length of time it takes to charge and the availability of charging stations.
If you could pull up to a local gas station and charge from 20% to 90% in 5 minutes, then range would't matter.

Just like in most cases range isn't a big issue for ICE cars. Because there is a gas station off every interstate exit and in every town and because filling up takes 5 minutes.

EVs already make more power than similarly priced ICE cars. So performance isn't an issue. Its the hassle of long charge time and a scarcity of charging points.

Time and tech will take care of that.

 

[coalcracker]

Or simply move to another state with rules and regulations you agree with.

Generally agree, although auto manufacturers probably won’t continue with ICE vehicles once California (huge market) takes effect. I mean, I know many manufactures are planning to fully electrify their fleets anyway, given the mandates and whatnot. At some point it will stop making sense for them to produce ICE vehicles to suit the remaining parts of the country that don’t have mandates to force EVs on everyone.

Hopefully by then we’ll actually have some good truck and SUV options (Yes, I’m aware of Rivian). Not everyone wants a car and not everyone has the means to own multiple vehicles (i.e., get an electric car for around town). I know for some of us on here, our Jeeps are both our daily driver and our “fun” vehicle.

Either way, not trying to be a “hater” but just pointing out things that I think matter to everyday people.

 

[India-ThreeZeroThree]

I still have yet to see one single EV semi on the road. Also note we aren't seeing any companies or gov office embracing EV as of yet. Lets see how this develops in 10 years. Spending $60k (average OTD price - yes I know the cheapest is $40k before tax and license) on a to and from work commuter doesn't make financial sense when we still have many $25k commuter vehicles available. Its cheaper to run that car even if it got 20 mpg, with oil changes and using today's gas prices over the average life of that car than to operate a Tesla. Get a EV in $25k range that changes things considerably.

 

[jbehrn]

Well actually Texas has shown us all just how bad it can be when left to private business. California did too during its deregulation, funny enough.

This is straight up false. Texas has a mix of public coops and private energy companies. 20% of the energy is generated via wind:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_power_stations_in_Texas

Furthermore, vast parts of the power grid are not deregulated. I live in N. Austin and am forced to buy from a COOP; there are no other competitors allowed in my geographic area.

Finally, the winter storm affected all electrical power sources (solar/wind/traditional) that resulted in the grid failures. Frozen gas lines and frozen wind mills… Texas had weather proofed it’s grid controls for HOT weather; the winter storm was a rarity…

 

[Klutch]

I still have yet to see one single EV semi on the road. Also note we aren't seeing any companies or gov office embracing EV as of yet. Lets see how this develops in 10 years. Spending $60k (average OTD price - yes I know the cheapest is $40k before tax and license) on a to and from work commuter doesn't make financial sense when we still have many $25k commuter vehicles available. Its cheaper to run that car even if it got 20 mpg, with oil changes and using today's gas prices over the average life of that car than to operate a Tesla. Get a EV in $25k range that changes things considerably.

I have a friend who was telling me her brother works for a company developing electric semi trucks in Arizona. It's still in early stages. They're used only for local routes.

No state government is considering banning diesel powered semi trucks. Everything would come to a screeching halt.

 

[AmosMoses]

Have you watched the series “The man in the high castle”?

“United States” of America.

Dividing the nation will do nothing more than amplify issues…..

This is a discussion on vehicles that most likely at some point travel state to state….. unless we are showing passports to cross state lines… ?

Who's is dividing the nation? What are you talking about? States are like individual countries with their own set of rules and values. This is nothing new.

 

[Escape.idiocracy]

Or simply move to another state with rules and regulations you agree with

This right here is what I am talking about. Your response above move to another state with rules and regulations you agree with.

There is a reason why the Supreme Court just passed the ruling that it did against the EPA.

Moving state to state to mitigate petty conflicts of vehicle types and emissions is absolutely ridiculous.


While I understand your point in state governments running states how that population seems fit…. Isn’t this also the same mentality that’s crushing a lot of states right now??? (California, Oregon, Washington, New York, Illinois, etc…)

Crushing meaning business are Leaving…. Higher overall cost of living, etc.

 

[Gatorized]

. I have a friend in town who's replaced his gen 1 Prius battery himself. Kind of a fun project honestly and not that difficult. He's somewhere over 300K, not sure the # of batteries he's replaced.

I have used battery powered pallet jacks and fork lifts, 25 years ago, and though the batteries were huge, the system to just swap one out with a charged one, took only minutes. If there was a way for a manufacturer that could do this at a larger scale, along with the consumers being okay with just swapping batteries, maybe it would be a feasible option. Like every xyz deaership or station had a rack of batteries charging, swing in exchange your near depleted battery for a full one, and a couple minutes you are off on your journey. Just like a blue rhino propane exchange. That’s it, sorry for the long post.

all this talk of battery replacement reminded me of the MB ‘AA’ Class -

https://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/new-mercedes/3021121

 

[WILDHOBO]

This is straight up false. Texas has a mix of public coops and private energy companies. 20% of the energy is generated via wind:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_power_stations_in_Texas

Furthermore, vast parts of the power grid are not deregulated. I live in N. Austin and am forced to buy from a COOP; there are no other competitors allowed in my geographic area.

Finally, the winter storm affected all electrical power sources (solar/wind/traditional) that resulted in the grid failures. Frozen gas lines and frozen wind mills… Texas had weather proofed it’s grid controls for HOT weather; the winter storm was a rarity…

The same thing happened in n Texas a decade before. They claimed they’d address it to prevent a repeat, but never did. That disaster was on them.

 

[jbehrn]

The same thing happened in n Texas a decade before. They claimed they’d address it to prevent a repeat, but never did. That disaster was on them.

When are you referring to, 2010-2020? Who are ‘they’ that you are referring to? I don’t recall a massive winter storm causing that big of a power outage between 2010-2020 (the prior decade).

 

[AmosMoses]

This right here is what I am talking about. Your response above move to another state with rules and regulations you agree with.

There is a reason why the Supreme Court just passed the ruling that it did against the EPA.

Moving state to state to mitigate petty conflicts of vehicle types and emissions is absolutely ridiculous.


While I understand your point in state governments running states how that population seems fit…. Isn’t this also the same mentality that’s crushing a lot of states right now??? (California, Oregon, Washington, New York, Illinois, etc…)

Crushing meaning business are Leaving…. Higher overall cost of living, etc.

I still dont understand your point. You're never going to get everyone to agree on everything. We have diverse opinions and the ability to live in places that align with those values.

 

[WILDHOBO]

When are you referring to, 2010-2020? Who are ‘they’ that you are referring to? I don’t recall a massive winter storm causing that big of a power outage between 2010-2020 (the prior decade).

Around 2010. Another cold snap killed gas lines. The TX legislature did nothing and then acted like 2020 was the first time.

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