First oil change

[DanW]

Troll alert. The more we say, the more the gas bubble in his large intestine grows. It eventually gains enoug pressure that it first seeps out, giving him little bits of a high, causing him to post more and more to get more responses. And then at just the sight of just the right post, it BLOWS! Then he gets a methane high that gives him exactly what his addicted brain craves, causing a simultaneous dump of dopamine along with a cough, sneeze, hiccup, and orgasm, all at the same time. He then wallows in it in that small basement room, where there is little ventilation. Sadly, it destroys brain cells every time he does it. And it gets his keyboard messy.

It's really a sad state of affairs.

Don't fall for it!

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[JET_83]

Yes - some is darker than others, a lot of "it depends" in there - the base stock and their proprietary additives= color.
The oil used here will seem quite thin compared to what older people are used to finding in vehicles of 20 years ago.




Not sure where that comes from. I did 3500 miles even on OLD SCHOOL engines with fewer controls! These engines run at or close to stoich much of the time.
That means less unburned fuel getting down there.
As far as miles - it all depends on how you drive the thing. Some people are going to see these go 200,000 miles with oil changes done 8,000-9,000 miles or a bit more.
Do what you want, it's your vehicle, your oil money, etc.
But there's a reason they can specify 10,000 miles on these engines. Technology.
If you tow, if you do a lot of shorter drives, if the oil never gets up to temperature in colder weather - don't go 10. If you tow in the summer and the oil gets up to 240 or better, don't go 10 but other people - even me - could go 8-10,000 miles and never see an issue.

If I can go 3,500 miles or so between oil changes on a 1980s carbureted engine and go over 160,000 miles and not burn oil (didn't have to add between changes) I can certainly go double that or more on this engine.

But you do what you want to do with your truck.
I'll base my choices on experience as a mechanic and engine builder (and some science)



And you are basing that on?? Automotive degree?

I tend to agree now.

Perhaps I should've just stuck to my "don't comment in oil threads" rule. Too many people like this that don't know what the facts are, trying to tell others how to do oil changes. You never win. Why do I do this to myself.

Let’s put it this way too genius, my power wasn’t near as good as it is now since I changed too, so there’s that as well.

 

[JET_83]

Troll alert. The more we say, the more the gas bubble in his large intestine grows. It eventually gains enoug pressure that it first seeps out, giving him little bits of a high, causing him to post more and more to get more responses. And then at just the sight of just the right post, it BLOWS! Then he gets a methane high that gives him exactly what his addicted brain craves, causing a simultaneous dump of dopamine along with a cough, sneeze, hiccup, and orgasm, all at the same time. He then wallows in it in that small basement room, where there is little ventilation. Sadly, it destroys brain cells every time he does it. And it gets his keyboard messy.

It's really a sad state of affairs.

Don't fall for it!

Lol, you’re the troll because you keep commenting

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Let’s put it this way too genius, my power wasn’t near as good as it is now since I changed too, so there’s that as well.

Butt dyno strikes again!
So now you can show an added 20 hp on the dyno.

Just changing oil doesn't change power - unless you go to a far better oil. It's not the age of the oil, it's the type and additives, film strength, and more. If your oil change gave you NOTICEABLE more power - you have some real issues. Like you over-heated your oil or have engine troubles already.

And thank you for recognizing my genius LOL.

Troll alert. The more we say, the more the gas bubble in his large intestine grows

The problem with any troll is that they have endless ammunition as they make it up as they go or just toss stuff to see what sticks.
Those who truly know only have so many facts, and once posted, there's no more ammo.

 

[JET_83]

Butt dyno strikes again!
So now you can show an added 20 hp on the dyno.

Just changing oil doesn't change power - unless you go to a far better oil. It's not the age of the oil, it's the type and additives, film strength, and more. If your oil change gave you NOTICEABLE more power - you have some real issues. Like you over-heated your oil or have engine troubles already.

And thank you for recognizing my genius LOL.

The problem with any troll is that they have endless ammunition as they make it up as they go or just toss stuff to see what sticks.
Those who truly know only have so many facts, and once posted, there's no more ammo.

my power delivery is actually much better now.

 

[JET_83]

Butt dyno strikes again!
So now you can show an added 20 hp on the dyno.

Just changing oil doesn't change power - unless you go to a far better oil. It's not the age of the oil, it's the type and additives, film strength, and more. If your oil change gave you NOTICEABLE more power - you have some real issues. Like you over-heated your oil or have engine troubles already.

And thank you for recognizing my genius LOL.

The problem with any troll is that they have endless ammunition as they make it up as they go or just toss stuff to see what sticks.
Those who truly know only have so many facts, and once posted, there's no more ammo.

Lol, and no, it was like that when I changed from the factory oil in my other rig too

 

[sharpsicle]

my power delivery is actually much better now.

No, you're just more comfortable giving it throttle now. Had nothing to do with the oil. Concious or subconscious, this is what happens to every human being. You aren't special.

 

[JET_83]

No, you're just more comfortable giving it throttle now. Had nothing to do with the oil. Concious it subconscious, this is what happens to every human being. You aren't special.

No, I give the same amount, gas mileage improved too

 

[ShadowsPapa]

my power delivery is actually much better now.

Then you over-heated your oil or changed to a much better oil or have other engine issues going on or because you felt good about changing the oil and were concerned about the old oil being a problem now you drive differently. It's just how people work. You thought the old oil was bad, you felt good about the new oil, thus you drive it differently or have convinced yourself it's better.

It's not because you changed the oil at only x,000 miles that did it, it was the change to a different oil, or you had damaged the original oil.

If you had changed oil after 7,000 miles you'd have had the same result. It's not how quickly you changed it that helped.
Cause and effect.

I changed one of my cars over to a bio-syn oil that's highly rated in test conditions, extreme pressure handling, good film strength and gained idle RPM.
It's not because I changed oil - it's because of the oil I changed to. It was holding the parts from each other better. It's a flat tappet engine with a cam that has some extreme ramps on it.
Less friction, handles the pressures of the mating parts better.

And please don't say "it's because I got the break-in oil out". There's no such thing. There's initial fill oil but it's the same oil you can use in the engine for any oil change. it's not special oil.

 

[JET_83]

Then you over-heated your oil or changed to a much better oil or have other engine issues going on or because you felt good about changing the oil and were concerned about the old oil being a problem now you drive differently. It's just how people work. You thought the old oil was bad, you felt good about the new oil, thus you drive it differently or have convinced yourself it's better.

It's not because you changed the oil at only x,000 miles that did it, it was the change to a different oil, or you had damaged the original oil.

If you had changed oil after 7,000 miles you'd have had the same result. It's not how quickly you changed it that helped.
Cause and effect.

I changed one of my cars over to a bio-syn oil that's highly rated in test conditions, extreme pressure handling, good film strength and gained idle RPM.
It's not because I changed oil - it's because of the oil I changed to. It was holding the parts from each other better. It's a flat tappet engine with a cam that has some extreme ramps on it.
Less friction, handles the pressures of the mating parts better.

And please don't say "it's because I got the break-in oil out". There's no such thing. There's initial fill oil but it's the same oil you can use in the engine for any oil change. it's not special oil.

overheated my oil?

 

[ShadowsPapa]

No, I give the same amount, gas mileage improved too

Then you really are proving my thinking that it's not WHEN you changed it but it's THE OIL you changed TO. But oil isn't going to give you mpg you can obviously see.

This bit about "my mpg is better" - don't even think of going by that cluster display and using 1 or 2 tanks and thinking gee, I'm getting better mpg now. You can only do that after multiple tanks and real math.
Did you know that in the first 7500 miles or so the mpg naturally goes up in these anyway? So can you actually demonstrate it was the oil change? Or, is it like mine, it learned and then suddenly after about 7500 miles my mpg did go up noticeably........

overheated my oil?

Yeah, it's possible and without even seeing massive temperature spikes on the oil temp gauge. The oil at the pistons is running a whole lot hotter than in the sump. You may see 220 degrees in the sump where it measures, but under certain conditions the oil that's up high against the pistons or cylinder walls can reach temperatures higher than that. After a while the oil may break down. Different oils have different abilities to handle heat before they start to break down.
GENERALLY "most" synthetics handle it better but there are some conventional oils that handle heat better than some synthetic oils.

 

[JET_83]

Then you over-heated your oil or changed to a much better oil or have other engine issues going on or because you felt good about changing the oil and were concerned about the old oil being a problem now you drive differently. It's just how people work. You thought the old oil was bad, you felt good about the new oil, thus you drive it differently or have convinced yourself it's better.

It's not because you changed the oil at only x,000 miles that did it, it was the change to a different oil, or you had damaged the original oil.

If you had changed oil after 7,000 miles you'd have had the same result. It's not how quickly you changed it that helped.
Cause and effect.

I changed one of my cars over to a bio-syn oil that's highly rated in test conditions, extreme pressure handling, good film strength and gained idle RPM.
It's not because I changed oil - it's because of the oil I changed to. It was holding the parts from each other better. It's a flat tappet engine with a cam that has some extreme ramps on it.
Less friction, handles the pressures of the mating parts better.

And please don't say "it's because I got the break-in oil out". There's no such thing. There's initial fill oil but it's the same oil you can use in the engine for any oil change. it's not special oil.

shows how much you know…. I don’t have engine issues, it’s been the same with 3 different vehicles I’ve owned. All factory oil changed at 4,000 all using the pentastar 3.6

 

[DanW]

Lol, you’re the troll because you keep commenting

 

[sharpsicle]

shows how much you know…. I don’t have engine issues, it’s been the same with 3 different vehicles I’ve owned. All factory oil changed at 4,000 all using the pentastar 3.6

Good for you! That doesn't mean you or anyone else has to do that though....

What other asinine off-the-wall comment are you going to go with next? I've started a pool.

 

[JET_83]

Good for you! That doesn't mean you or anyone else has to do that though....

What other asinine off-the-wall comment are you going to go with next? I've started a pool.

Do you feel intelligent using words like “asinine” How about you share some more diction in your vast compendium of knowledge you have. Lol

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